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Old 7 Apr 2020, 17:28 (Ref:3969156)   #26
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I'd corrected my post in edit when I realised that James Wright had been out in a 75 Further checking has also shown that at least two Giuliettas have been out in the series.



Despite requests (I'm the Director for Motorsport for the Alfa Romeo Owners Club) I've never actually seen any regs for Julius's series - the entry form for the Silverstone Classic merely says :
"This race is open to competitors racing any Classic or Historic production-based Alfa Romeo from the 750 - 116 range of models.
Cars must be recognised by one or any of the respective organisations:
FIA
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HSCC


Cars must run the tyres permitted by their respective registered Clubs or Series. NO SLICKS OR CUT SLICKS ARE ALLOWED"


Its one of the most "relaxed" series I've seen with regard to regs
Clearly all open to interpretation, Richard! But dont series regs have to be signed off by MUK?
Very odd that regs are not available. I know they have fairly decent grids but if things were a bit more transparent and logical (to my mind!) they would have even more. Still, it is Julius’ trainset and he can play with it how he likes!
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Old 7 Apr 2020, 17:39 (Ref:3969162)   #27
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All this talk of eligibility, cost etc and we don’t even know if the event will go ahead! As it has relied in the past on sharing temporary infrastructures with the GP, I have my doubts.......
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Old 27 Apr 2020, 12:59 (Ref:3973118)   #28
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All this talk of eligibility, cost etc and we don’t even know if the event will go ahead! As it has relied in the past on sharing temporary infrastructures with the GP, I have my doubts.......
All quiet from Silverstone Classic apart from the standard coronavirus statement, I noticed they keep extending the early bird tickets, which is now up to 10th of May.

Now (if it happens) the Silverstone BGP will be a behind closed doors event only, do we really think that a big public event like the SC will run only 2 weeks later?
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Old 27 Apr 2020, 15:09 (Ref:3973138)   #29
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All quiet from Silverstone Classic apart from the standard coronavirus statement, I noticed they keep extending the early bird tickets, which is now up to 10th of May.

Now (if it happens) the Silverstone BGP will be a behind closed doors event only, do we really think that a big public event like the SC will run only 2 weeks later?

Nope, personally I dont think so, and I had two cars entered
I cant see the SC happening this year
but thats my own personal opinion

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Old 28 Apr 2020, 12:46 (Ref:3973355)   #30
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All quiet from Silverstone Classic apart from the standard coronavirus statement, I noticed they keep extending the early bird tickets, which is now up to 10th of May.

Now (if it happens) the Silverstone BGP will be a behind closed doors event only, do we really think that a big public event like the SC will run only 2 weeks later?

According to today's Times, the GP plans are for "closed door" GPs on successive weekends - 19th and 26th July, so only a week's gap to the Classic......


Can't see any chance of it happening, I'm afraid.
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F1 exists for the competition. The crowd is secondary to the result. Appendix K highlights that classic racing is about the cars. At the Classic the whole racing programme is a tremendous backdrop to a great weekend of socialising. It won't be the usual great motorsport Festival without the crowds, so sadly I have to draw a similar conclusion.
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Old 29 Apr 2020, 10:27 (Ref:3973546)   #32
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F1 exists for the competition. The crowd is secondary to the result. Appendix K highlights that classic racing is about the cars. At the Classic the whole racing programme is a tremendous backdrop to a great weekend of socialising. It won't be the usual great motorsport Festival without the crowds, so sadly I have to draw a similar conclusion.
They are still clinging to the current date according to Autosport, eventually you have to make the call and the problem they have is that it is an event that has to be at Silverstone, it's not a series that can try and re-jig the calendar around whatever the UK circuits can fit in.

You would have to move it a month to see if you could run some sort of public event by then, but Silverstone has the Moto GP last weekend in August and BTCC in September and I believe and they need to offer MG Live and World GT/British GT and BSB postponed slots.

The could try for what was the previous WEC slot 4-6 September.
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Old 30 Apr 2020, 09:04 (Ref:3973755)   #33
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I think the bigger issue for the Silverstone Classic, is what makes it so special...

...its a festival at the end of the day with unrivalled fan access, concerts, fun fair, car shows and racing cars that you don't often see etc...

...lets be honest (and no disrespect meant), can you really see fans having the same level of garage access, concerts, the fun fair being able to be used and the same number of special cars being shipped over and racing?

...it will basically be 'just another' HSCC/ Masters meeting..again no disrespect meant, because theres nothing wrong with that at £20 a ticket, but at £150 a ticket, fans expect more than just the racing....im not sure you can make an event like the Silverstone Classic, financially viable without all the other stuff that goes on at the event.
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Old 30 Apr 2020, 09:21 (Ref:3973760)   #34
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There are bigger things happening in the world than concerning yourself with the merits of having a festival. The bits and pieces will probably not be allowed so what is the point in running an event that is going to
lose a boat load of money .
It won’t happen but I would put money on the first meaningful event Goodwood Revival.
The French have given a date of 1/9 before anything happens and Belgium is in an awful situation so why run 6 hrs
If you can run 6 hrs it’s possible to run a GP same weekend?
Lots up in the air!
Anyway no Pre War at Silverstone so not to worry!
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Old 30 Apr 2020, 11:32 (Ref:3973773)   #35
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huh its almost like I missed the part where the world is up the sh!tter at the moment. ;-p


Of course there are bigger things in the world to worry about right now, but while its just a festival to me and you its also peoples work and livelihoods at stake..and that's not just confined to motorsport.

Im lucky to be in work at the moment, and live in the countryside so the effects have been relatively minimal so far, but I feel for those who have lost jobs and loved ones over this.

The sooner we can safely get people back to work....and motorsport back on its wheels the better.
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Old 30 Apr 2020, 11:49 (Ref:3973777)   #36
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I think historic motorsport is at the bottom of the motorsport pyramid and it’s a lot of fairly old blokes playing with old bags of bolts.
All other motorsport will be considered much more important than Historics and will be first in any queue.
As many of us old farts are over sixty will probably still be in lockdown!
Your back at work bit will probably be next year as far as Historics are concerned .
That’s reality. Get the money producers back to work
Many preparation people rely on road cars rather than race prep.
People will have a smaller disposable income so that will have an effect
It is probable that gatherings of over 500 people will not be allowed until Autumn at the earliest
That puts kybosh on most things
Get ready to be disappointed!
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oh don't get me wrong I think youre absolutely correct....as awful as it sounds.

tbh id take any form of motorsport right now...definitely need the series that make money back first like F1, WEC, GT3, BTCC etc...which can be shown live on TV but behind closed doors if required

...then theres the matter of medical cover/ marshals etc etc.

….In that respect you might find track days back first, especially when they are good earners for circuits and need less infrastructure.

… I actually think other forms of motorsport like hillclimb/ sprints and short oval racing may come back sooner than others because of the lack of infrastructure required and less risk (single car) of hillclimbs/ sprints
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Stuart Pringle from Silverstone Circuit saying it is not a given that they will be able to meet the strict government guidance on public gatherings for the British GP, even without any spectators, so how the SC intends to run a week later with 40,000 crowd is anyone's guess. I can't see you will be able to have that sort of gathering at all this year.
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Virtual historic racing may well be the future. Arthurs got a new driving sim game, I gave him an old motalita wheel, we were doing laps of the old Full Spa circuit the other evening. most impressive.
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Now you know what Burnenville, Masta and Stavelot mean. Yes it was really impressive bearing in mind that sometimes only one part was wet the other being dry. Closer from now, do you remember the left curve after bus stop and before F1 pits? Tricky in the wet with some ponnies under the pedal… Sorry, not Silverstone!

Are you talking about some thing like this, John? https://www.artcurial.com/fr/lot-193...-mans-1957-210
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Now you know what Burnenville, Masta and Stavelot mean. Yes it was really impressive bearing in mind that sometimes only one part was wet the other being dry. Closer from now, do you remember the left curve after bus stop and before F1 pits? Tricky in the wet with some ponnies under the pedal… Sorry, not Silverstone!

Are you talking about some thing like this, John? https://www.artcurial.com/fr/lot-193...-mans-1957-210
I remember it and yes fun before they eased the exit kerb. Essentially you planted your foot whilst facing the armco on the outside of the track.
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I remember it and yes fun before they eased the exit kerb. Essentially you planted your foot whilst facing the armco on the outside of the track.
Breath taking place! The new chicane is safer but more conventional, lets say less romantic…

Several Singers on car and classic, some in the Nederlands, but not what you're looking for I'm afraid John.

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Burnenville, one of worlds great corners
Sat on outside during 67 practise with DSJ and he explained to me why Jim Clark was one of the great drivers.Would walk between cars to pub on inside of corner opposite the barns

It would be nothing now as the whole of the track would be flat as far as Stavelot.

The 1000ks won by the Mirage was pretty special . Spent that between Stavelot and Eau Rouge with a fiddled photographers pass
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But will both competitors and marshals want to attend given many of them are in the vulnerable age range? Many of the medics will have been working flat out and want a holiday. I think the whole season needs knocking on the head.
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I think historic motorsport is at the bottom of the motorsport pyramid and it’s a lot of fairly old blokes playing with old bags of bolts.
All other motorsport will be considered much more important than Historics and will be first in any queue.

Get ready to be disappointed!

I 'd argue that behind F1 and BTCC , historic racing is the biggest branch of the sport. We have no modern single seater racing , GT gets so -so crowds but the biggest crowds I see are Goodwood (MM - I don't do the Revival now) , the Classic , Gold Cup and VSCC / CSCC /HSCC events get good crowds at the right circuit in decent weather



Historic racing has a far wider demographic than you suggest - of course there's old farts like me , but I see plenty of youngsters too. Why not when you can buy an FF1600 which doesn't lose value , and enjoy close racing for a fraction of modern single seaters , assuming you can find any.



I expect no events to take place this year which people like us can attend - I am happy to grasp that nettle now and wish reality would kick in for organisers who think things will be back to normal in 3 months
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….In that respect you might find track days back first, especially when they are good earners for circuits and need less infrastructure.

… I actually think other forms of motorsport like hillclimb/ sprints and short oval racing may come back sooner than others because of the lack of infrastructure required and less risk (single car) of hillclimbs/ sprints
I've been talking to the MD of our "home" kart track. As soon as the government gives any kind of go ahead he'll be open. He plans to have a limited number of pre-booked slots and a limit of one driver/one mechanic but he'll have testing underway before the MSUK lift their ban. Maybe he'll even have racing as a lot goes on outside MSUK these days. Track days were the last to shut down they'll be the first to start up, the companies running them will need the work.

I've always said it'll be the grass roots that get underway first. No infrastructure needed.

Zef you're late to the party. There's a Legends e-sports series using "Brabham BT44" and "McLaren M23". IIRC Jenson Button and Emerson Fittipaldi were among the entrants.

But the Real Thing at Silverstone? There's no way enough spectators will be allowed to make it viable.

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I too very much doubt the Classic will go ahead

But if you think about the event running without spectators, then the amount of infrastructure required would be very much smaller. At that point the costs would fall dramatically. Race entrance fees at that meeting are far higher than everywhere else, somewhere near £1m, so there would be enough money in the coffers somewhere to make it happen

If you close all the catering outlets, ban all the individual race organiser hospitality trucks and make everyone bring their own sandwiches then you might actually get back to having an event which was nearer to what they were when the cars were new.

No crowds and no poseurs, it could be the best Silverstone Classic ever!!!!
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