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Old 22 Jun 2020, 15:33 (Ref:3983245)   #7531
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488GTE 900K$++
004C GT3 @600HP with MUCH lower running/spare cost 600K$
"DSC understands that the base cost of a new GT3 Aston Martin Vantage is c.£425k GBP, that translates to c.£550k GBP for a car fully equipped for competition.
Whilst the cost of the GTE spec car is firmly “price on application”, the reality is that the cost is likely to be around 50% more – say £750k GBP."

DSC delves into the costs involved in GT3
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/0...ng-part-1.html
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Old 22 Jun 2020, 18:34 (Ref:3983260)   #7532
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DSC delves into the costs involved in GT3
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/0...ng-part-1.html
That was extremely informative and shows just how complicated the process is. I wonder how team managers figure out all this stuff ahead of time to try and attract a gentleman driver. I guess experience helps, but so many moving pieces....
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Old 23 Jun 2020, 16:15 (Ref:3983437)   #7533
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DSC delves into the costs involved in GT3
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/0...ng-part-1.html
This is why we work so hard to price our spares, our rebuild costs reasonably and our running costs low.
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Old 17 Jul 2020, 10:49 (Ref:3988944)   #7534
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"But sources insist that Coletta is not particularly interested in the F1 role right now, and is more committed than ever to building up a project that will bring Ferrari back to the top at Le Mans."
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Old 17 Jul 2020, 12:25 (Ref:3988985)   #7535
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The plot thickens. Already we have seen rumours of Ferrari to Indy, now are they looking into Hypercar
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The plot thickens. Already we have seen rumours of Ferrari to Indy, now are they looking into Hypercar
The rumours have been around for a while and often they are white elephants

However for the first time in a while it makes commercial sense for Ferrari - if anyone can sell cars to a customer programme it is Ferrari as the cars will be all collectors items.

Hence the only thing that makes sense is Hypercar and not LMDh as otherwise it wont be a 'Ferrari'
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However for the first time in a while it makes commercial sense for Ferrari - if anyone can sell cars to a customer programme it is Ferrari as the cars will be all collectors items.



Hence the only thing that makes sense is Hypercar and not LMDh as otherwise it wont be a 'Ferrari'
That's been their hold up. They want to be able to build an LMP2 to one of the chosen cars specs to give it a Ferrari chassis number. Key to their sales plan. Think it's a non starter though. Build your own or sell with the Oreca/Ligier/Dallara chassis plate
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That's been their hold up. They want to be able to build an LMP2 to one of the chosen cars specs to give it a Ferrari chassis number. Key to their sales plan. Think it's a non starter though. Build your own or sell with the Oreca/Ligier/Dallara chassis plate
Thats why it is Hypercar that is the only route that makes sense for them.
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Old 24 Jul 2020, 17:06 (Ref:3990622)   #7539
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I see one big problem with ditching LMP2 for LMP3 and that is that a big part of the appeal of LMDH are the fixed prices for the chassis from the approved LMP2 builders. Those guys can, however, only make a profit through economies of scale. Without the LMP2 market, chassis for LMDH will either cost more or be significantly less well engineered.

In other words - and yes, that's a perversion in itself - privateer P2 teams are currently subsidizing the cheap chassis for the manufacturers in DPi.
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I see one big problem with ditching LMP2 for LMP3 and that is that a big part of the appeal of LMDH are the fixed prices for the chassis from the approved LMP2 builders. Those guys can, however, only make a profit through economies of scale. Without the LMP2 market, chassis for LMDH will either cost more or be significantly less well engineered.

In other words - and yes, that's a perversion in itself - privateer P2 teams are currently subsidizing the cheap chassis for the manufacturers in DPi.
That's a fair point about the economics. I don't really know how the next set of chassis regs will be different, but I'd have to imagine the current P2 chassis are going to be very similar to what is planned for the future lmp class. Was there a dimension difference that I'm recalling? slightly wider maybe? or was that for hypercar?
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That's a fair point about the economics. I don't really know how the next set of chassis regs will be different, but I'd have to imagine the current P2 chassis are going to be very similar to what is planned for the future lmp class. Was there a dimension difference that I'm recalling? slightly wider maybe? or was that for hypercar?
I could imagine hybrid integration being a bit of a problem with keeping essentially the current chassis, as it probably has a considerable effect on packaging, especially with heavy components such as batteries.
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I could imagine hybrid integration being a bit of a problem with keeping essentially the current chassis, as it probably has a considerable effect on packaging, especially with heavy components such as batteries.
Another good point.

I went to look for any chassis dimensions and couldn't find them in the releases about the lmdh rules. They all just mentioned that the lmp2 tub makers would deliver a complete "spine" or to put it another way, "a complete car without the bodywork, engine, or hybrid." I was not sure if this package includes suspension components as well.
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You would think there will be some freedom around suspension as there is in DPi to account for different overall weight and weight distribution of different engines and ancillaries.
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