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Old 9 Nov 2020, 07:51 (Ref:4015592)   #251
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Why does anybody even care ? It's a meaningless accolade , and nobody will change their opinion anyway , regardless of whatever creatively curated set of stats is tabled .
Not sure why - but 250 posts in the thread suggest some people do. And yes - you and I are both in that group.

An argument for why it is a meaningless accolade adds to its meaning.....
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Old 9 Nov 2020, 10:59 (Ref:4015621)   #252
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The only debatable issue is whether it is a 5 minute argument or the full half hour.......
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Old 9 Nov 2020, 11:19 (Ref:4015624)   #253
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Most wins in F1 is an impressive stat, and that's all that it is. Someone's got to have it but it's not reflective of GOAT.
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Old 9 Nov 2020, 12:02 (Ref:4015630)   #254
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Why does anybody even care ? It's a meaningless accolade , and nobody will change their opinion anyway , regardless of whatever creatively curated set of stats is tabled .
This thread is a perfect storm. Who is the best F1 driver? Lewis Hamilton? Both are topics that generate lots of opinions. Combine them into a single thread? Bang! Off to the races as people post fast and furiously.

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Old 9 Nov 2020, 12:04 (Ref:4015632)   #255
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The only debatable issue is whether it is a 5 minute argument or the full half hour.......
Surely we can get another 6 days out of this before the next record is broken?
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Old 9 Nov 2020, 15:00 (Ref:4015658)   #256
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Surely we can get another 6 days out of this before the next record is broken?
Easily...... Then we can move on to being hit on the head lessons. More productive......
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Old 9 Nov 2020, 15:16 (Ref:4015665)   #257
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One thing for certain Blue Peter’s John Leslie isn’t the GOAT.

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The only debatable issue is whether it is a 5 minute argument or the full half hour.......
No it isn't.
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Old 9 Nov 2020, 16:17 (Ref:4015678)   #259
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No it isn't.
An argument isn't just contradiction.
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Old 9 Nov 2020, 19:55 (Ref:4015720)   #263
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let us all agree that Lewis is a Goat, and put him out to grass, that way we get some more interesting racing in F1
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Why does anybody even care ? It's a meaningless accolade , and nobody will change their opinion anyway , regardless of whatever creatively curated set of stats is tabled .

Some drivers make you tingle when you watch them at work. Some manage to do so throughout their career (Senna, Stewart , Peterson, Alonso and Hamilton ) , some only for part of it ( mid- late Mansell , early Ickx , early - mid Vettel , early Scheckter , mid Lauda ) and others , too numerous to mention, rarely arouse much of a tingle at all - even if they were as blindingly fast as Prost or as all arms and elbows as Jarier.

The appeal of motor racing to me is the visceral excitement you feel trackside , watching a master at work .Agonising over GOATS is a joyless fireside attraction at best .
The post of an enthusiast in my book, what I look for too.

You have nailed the essence of this whole debate here Coppice, great work.

Nice to see Scheckter on the list too, very few understand just how quick he was!

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Never thought I would see Jarier mentioned in a thread like this
Just to nail thoughts of old man . Best driver I have seen, Jim Clark.
Smoothest and could do all the other stuff
Underrated Rindt who would have proven his worth if his move to Brabham in 71 had happened.
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Never thought I would see Jarier mentioned in a thread like this
Just to nail thoughts of old man . Best driver I have seen, Jim Clark.
Smoothest and could do all the other stuff
Underrated Rindt who would have proven his worth if his move to Brabham in 71 had happened.
Bernie reckoned Rindt was the quickest/best at the time.

Again, it's a bit speculative but i'd put money on Clark beating him had they likely ended up at Lotus together in the early 70's.
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Bernie was Rindt's friend and unpaid manager. According to the recent Motorsport article, he told Rindt to go to Brabham for longevity and Lotus for the Championship. Appears he was sadly correct.
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He would be favourite against anyone
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Don’t think you would have got a decent bet on Clark
He would be favourite against anyone
Clark made it look so smooth and effortless while laying down untouchable laps.

So he would be difficult to bet against.

Saw him in the flesh and the smoothness while just owning the field still resonates, mm perfect every time.
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Saw him in the flesh and the smoothness while just owning the field still resonates, mm perfect every time.
That's some admission!! But shouldn't you keep these things private??
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That's some admission!! But shouldn't you keep these things private??
Not like that!

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