[Multi 21] Sir Lewis

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by bella

the man pays taxes in multiple countries, and contributes a HUGE amount to the sport, and society as a whole. watching him blossom from a young man being shaped by the expectations of his sport to a grown man telling the sport what he expects of it has been refreshing and joyful. his self expression is paving the way for everybody to step outside of the short back and sides, freshly shaved pr drones. his actions benefit us all.

Brilliantly said, I completely agree.

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by MGDavid

no, that was Hitler.

<see, Godwin's Law works>

Ah don't be proud of that. It's widely accepted that whoever invokes Godwin's Law has lost the argument

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[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Ah don't be proud of that. It's widely accepted that whoever invokes Godwin's Law has lost the argument

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Griff started it....

[S griffin]

Don’t blame me, I was only referring to the haters

[Hawkwood]

I completely agree with Bella and several others above.

The comments (as I made the mistake of reading) on Twitter about Hamilton's knighthood, made for depressing and annoying reading. People made various comments we've all seen before (taxes, the car, BLM, politics), however those people never seem to have the same problems with any of the white drivers, past or present.
How strange, the guy who looks different being held to a completely different set of standards.

[Derwent]

Originally Posted by Hawkwood

I completely agree with Bella and several others above.

The comments (as I made the mistake of reading) on Twitter about Hamilton's knighthood, made for depressing and annoying reading. People made various comments we've all seen before (taxes, the car, BLM, politics), however those people never seem to have the same problems with any of the white drivers, past or present.
How strange, the guy who looks different being held to a completely different set of standards.

The difference being that he is the first WDC to actively speak out on any issue outside racing. There are other mixed race F1 drivers. What I see is the danger is that if you dare to disagree with his views, say on dog food, there are those on social media who declare you to be racist. I've seen that a lot.

[Adam43]

But not as much as those who immediately jump to vilify him.

It is much harder to stop and try and understand the point, to listen. It is much easier to come up with a simple excuse why you don’t need to listen and can continue with your life in ignorant bliss.

I suspect, hope, most people aren’t directly racist, even on Twitter, but what they are is uninterested in understanding other people. It’s too much effort and may be upsetting to their current world view. Hence all these other less important things are pushed to the fore rather than the actual issue.

[bella]

Originally Posted by Derwent

The difference being that he is the first WDC to actively speak out on any issue outside racing. There are other mixed race F1 drivers. What I see is the danger is that if you dare to disagree with his views, say on dog food, there are those on social media who declare you to be racist. I've seen that a lot.

that kind of thing is usually explained if you take a look at the profile and timeline of the person who disagrees with his views.

lewis is still pretty centrist. he's not saying anything radical.

[midgetman]

>>>There are other mixed race F1 drivers.

For example?

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[peebee2]

Originally Posted by midgetman

>>>There are other mixed race F1 drivers.

For example?

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Albon.

Wehrlein.

Ocon and I’m sure other French drivers have African heritage too.

[crmalcolm]

Karun Chandok, Narain Karthikeyan, Pascal Wehrlein and Juan Pablo Montoya are all non-white or mixed-race former F1 drivers.

[bathurst77]

I dont understand the negativity. How does the knighthood negatively affect, disadvantage or hurt anyone? There are people squealing like they are being asked to pay for it from their own purse.
Yes it takes one second longer to add a syllable when writing or saying his full name, i think we can live with that pain. In what other way are you suffering that you got such a butt hurt? Hey it makes work for printers making new stationery.

He has won more races than anybody ever. He has dominated the sport for years and he has made the sport think about openness and equality (which isnt a bad thing)
Im not a LH fan, I prefer it when he doesnt win (Im a Dan man) but I think if knighthoods are to be given to any sports stars for their performance then he deserves one.

[midgetman]

D'you know I hadn't even thought about those drivers. I presume that proves something positive about me - I don't notice race!

I think motor sport transcends national barriers like no other. As a kid my hero was Swedish, never mind that we had a British world championship challenger to support. It was good to see Hunt do well of course but Ronnie was the best.

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[bella]

aitken is also half korean.

with the exception of wehrlein (who was always said to be demanding to work with, interestingly from the “uppity black woman” mould) though all these chaps are subject to the usual ~”hard working asian” stereotypes. it’s perhaps interesting to note there’s no dutch drivers of indonesian heritage, british pakistani or indians, or romani drivers. less positive stereotypes from the usual suspects for those folk.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by midgetman

I think motor sport transcends national barriers like no other. As a kid my hero was Swedish, never mind that we had a British world championship challenger to support. It was good to see Hunt do well of course but Ronnie was the best.

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Agree with you on that one Max..... Although I have lived in Aus since the eighties, I still proudly use a British passport and am proudly British. In the 70's my hero was Niki Lauda, which caused some interesting discussions with my mates and racing partner at the time who were all fervent supporters of Hunt. Brands 1976 I think it was, was an interesting day, especially as we were on an improvised scaffolding at Paddock.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Karun Chandok, Narain Karthikeyan, Pascal Wehrlein and Juan Pablo Montoya are all non-white or mixed-race former F1 drivers.

Add to that Sato or any other Jap driver....

[bella]

ah yes, there’s never a shortage of derogatory “kamikaze” references for the japanese drivers, especially the ones who are keen to overtake.

just to add to my previous point, all stereotypes have negative effects on the person being stereotyped.

[Kato]

Originally Posted by bella

ah yes, there’s never a shortage of derogatory “kamikaze” references for the japanese drivers, especially the ones who are keen to overtake.

just to add to my previous point, all stereotypes have negative effects on the person being stereotyped.

It would be good stop and think we had evolved a bit further than denigrating someone along racial, religious, sexual, or gender stereotypes. Anyone who plants his or her bum in a F1 car is doing something we just can't imagine, as much as we wish we could, let alone do. Good luck to the lot of them, except...?

[bella]

well yeah, it would be nice to think we'd evolved beyond that. *we* probably have done. the cesspit that is the internet, however...

[Kato]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

... I'm not a LH fan, I prefer it when he doesn't win (I'm a Dan man) but I think if knighthoods are to be given to any sports stars for their performance then he deserves one.

This I agree wholeheartedly with. Even us non Lewis people recognize he is the very best of his generation. As to the GOAT, this is unprovable and by definition would need the end of time or F1, whichever comes first, to determine.

And from a person with the Username Bathurst77 who must be a devotee of The Great Man. Excellent stuff indeed.

[S griffin]

I’m from the UK and I’d like to say Danny has become my favourite driver too. He’s certainly one guaranteed to put a smile on your face

[Kato]

I am surprised that people aren't more concerned with Sir Lewis's stalemated contract negotiations. Does he get a year off following this honour?

[steve_r]

Is it a concern?

Is it actually at stalemate? Or has it all been agreed, but just not announced? Or is it about to be signed? We dont know. I assume an agreement will be reached.

Is it a concern as such? If Hamilton signs, then we have the possability of a record breaking 8th WDC. If he does not sign, then the possability of Verstappen, Bottas and Russell fighing it out is a very exciting prospect.

Of more concern is everything else that is happening in the world at the moment.

[Peter Mallett]

More a case of "do we care?". Rich bloke wants more money, similar impact to "dog bites man".

Great driver, deservedly a Sir but personally I won't be sad if he's not on the grid this year.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

More a case of "do we care?". Rich bloke wants more money, similar impact to "dog bites man".

Great driver, deservedly a Sir but personally I won't be sad if he's not on the grid this year.

firstly none of us know that for sure. all people have to go on is quotes from the daily express at the moment.....hardly world renound for accuracy.

Secondly, as a 7 time champ, why should he want more money? noone complained when Schumacher or Vettel wanted more after winning their titles.

Finally....really? if be sad if one of the best driving talents wasnt on the grid this year, it would leave a decent sized hole in the talent pool of F1.