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Old 11 Jan 2021, 15:35 (Ref:4028180)   #2506
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https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nd-cpd-carnets
This one seems to say that carnets will not be needed for registered cars through most of Europe .
What if they are on a trailer? Many race cars are no longer registered.
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Old 11 Jan 2021, 16:00 (Ref:4028186)   #2507
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What if they are on a trailer? Many race cars are no longer registered.
If a car has ever been registered , that means that tax has been paid on it at some time , therefore it does not class as goods for customs purposes .
That was how it was explained to me many years ago by C&E when I was doing events over Europe using Carnets .
AS far as I can make out , that still applies & even if it is on a trailer , does not need a Carnet .
And the Trailer does not need to be registered if it is private use .
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Old 11 Jan 2021, 16:24 (Ref:4028192)   #2508
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Just a question that's been posed elsewhere, if I were doing this commercially would I need a work permit of some kind?

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Old 11 Jan 2021, 16:29 (Ref:4028194)   #2509
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It may depend on where you are being paid. Worth checking.
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In the current circumstances, we need to do all we can to help local businesses. With this in mind I suggest we all schedule our visits to the pub so we can keep the 2m social distancing and whilst there get completely slamied for two hours before handing over to the next shift.

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Old 11 Jan 2021, 18:21 (Ref:4028207)   #2510
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Max, I think Peter is right, the place your invoice will be issued does matter. I found this for you: "Un commerçant ou un artisan étranger (non ressortissant européen), qui souhaite venir exercer son activité en France, doit d'abord obtenir un visa de long séjour pour entrer en France, puis demander une carte de séjour temporaire autorisant l'exercice d'une activité professionnelle."
I know your french is good but either John or I can help with translation.

Genuine question: are you considered as an EU citizen, now?

My understanding is that if you intend to work in France but invoice form the UK, no change. Now if you're looking for a job or want to open a shop here, different story.
Hope I'm clear but not sure.
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Old 11 Jan 2021, 19:40 (Ref:4028227)   #2511
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If a car has ever been registered , that means that tax has been paid on it at some time , therefore it does not class as goods for customs purposes .
That was how it was explained to me many years ago by C&E when I was doing events over Europe using Carnets .
AS far as I can make out , that still applies & even if it is on a trailer , does not need a Carnet .
And the Trailer does not need to be registered if it is private use .
Interesting, my main race car is Republic of Ireland road registered with duties paid, but UK located. That might solve part of the problem, however I discovered this little gem:

"The Port of Dover and Eurotunnel cannot process ATA Carnets, so find out where to go when moving goods with an ATA Carnet". ATA Carnets will usually be processed at the port. However, from 1 January 2021, if you’re moving goods with an ATA Carnet through the Port of Dover or Eurotunnel, you will need to go to a government inland border facility to process your ATA Carnet. from gov.uk https://www.gov.uk/guidance/moving-g...-an-ata-carnet
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Old 11 Jan 2021, 20:42 (Ref:4028234)   #2512
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Interesting, my main race car is Republic of Ireland road registered with duties paid, but UK located. That might solve part of the problem, however I discovered this little gem:

"The Port of Dover and Eurotunnel cannot process ATA Carnets, so find out where to go when moving goods with an ATA Carnet". ATA Carnets will usually be processed at the port. However, from 1 January 2021, if you’re moving goods with an ATA Carnet through the Port of Dover or Eurotunnel, you will need to go to a government inland border facility to process your ATA Carnet. from gov.uk https://www.gov.uk/guidance/moving-g...-an-ata-carnet
As I understand it , an ATA carnet will still be needed for any spares etc carried . But the car will only need a CPD carnet for certain countries , mostly outside Europe .
So it looks like you might have to have an ATA & get it signed out at Ashford , [ or one of the other places shown on your link] .
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Old 11 Jan 2021, 20:52 (Ref:4028239)   #2513
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The view of someone who has seen & stamped many a carnet over the years.

I'm sure we've been over this before, but in general the CPD carnet is intended for use by people travelling with their own personal (road) vehicle for pleasure. The ATA carnet is for goods being used for exhibition, show, testing, etc.

As such, any race car either on a trailer or being driven to be used at a race meeting would be considered as being shown or exhibited and should be covered by an ATA carnet.
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 04:08 (Ref:4028312)   #2515
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The view of someone who has seen & stamped many a carnet over the years.

I'm sure we've been over this before, but in general the CPD carnet is intended for use by people travelling with their own personal (road) vehicle for pleasure. The ATA carnet is for goods being used for exhibition, show, testing, etc.

As such, any race car either on a trailer or being driven to be used at a race meeting would be considered as being shown or exhibited and should be covered by an ATA carnet.
Yep - back in the day, we used to list our tractor units and race transporter trailers on an ATA carnet as well, covered off some different views at different borders so a safer bet all round.
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This is starting to sound like a right nightmare. I've an allergy to paperwork, is it as onerous as it sounds? Plus the nominal fee sounds somewhat more than nominal.

I've also been reading the reports about a trucker's picnic being confiscated at the Dutch border How would I manage without my tinnies of old and filthy, I couldn't possibly drink Eurofizz stuff.

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As I understand it , an ATA carnet will still be needed for any spares etc carried . But the car will only need a CPD carnet for certain countries , mostly outside Europe .
So it looks like you might have to have an ATA & get it signed out at Ashford , [ or one of the other places shown on your link] .

Many thanks for your most helpful input on this.

Seems I'll be reviving old skills from my first job in shipping in 1960's and looking for a change of ASN. Small price to pay for 'taking back control'.
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 08:09 (Ref:4028337)   #2518
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This is starting to sound like a right nightmare. I've an allergy to paperwork, is it as onerous as it sounds? Plus the nominal fee sounds somewhat more than nominal.
Right, I understand your point of view. Seems that should you cross the border its either you declare to be a tourist travelling for leasure only or a pro, the last involving a carnet. Hope this will be amended for Motorsport at least.
But prepare yourself to an increase in costs and time spent.
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More on the joys of the UK having decided to split from the EU. Drivers are having sandwiches, etc, taken from them at the Dutch border when they arrive from the UK if they contain any dairy or meat product, i.e. butter, cheese or meat.

See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55622331
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More on the joys of the UK having decided to split from the EU. Drivers are having sandwiches, etc, taken from them at the Dutch border when they arrive from the UK if they contain any dairy or meat product, i.e. butter, cheese or meat.

See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55622331
Sounds good to me, we can stop them for the same thing.

That said I suspect this is just jobsworths getting their jollies.
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