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Old 12 Jan 2021, 11:26 (Ref:4028393)   #2536
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Many thanks for your most helpful input on this.

Seems I'll be reviving old skills from my first job in shipping in 1960's and looking for a change of ASN. Small price to pay for 'taking back control'.
Doing a bit more reading up on this .

https://www.gov.uk/taking-goods-out-uk-temporarily Click on [If you do not use a carnet].
It appears you can use a " Duplicate List ", instead of having to pay for a carnet .
Not very obvious how it is done , probably because they would rather have everybody paying , but this is well worth checking out if you only go abroad a few times .
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 11:33 (Ref:4028398)   #2537
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Yup. My reference to C&I was because that's who may be asking for them. Worth checking directly methinks.

As to the sandwich thing, someone just likened it to fining people for walking with a cup of coffee. Over zealous was the phrase used.
The sandwich thing is actually in the rules .
https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021
No meat or dairy products to cross borders .
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 11:36 (Ref:4028400)   #2538
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That said I read this morning that hauliers are increasing their rates from €1.5 to €10 per KM due to border uncertainty. That won't last because sure as eggs is eggs someone will undercut them.
Whilst I agree that the spike in rates won't last long (as you say - somebody will undercut that) there are added costs that are going to be passed on so rates will overall increase.

There are also more empty vehicle movements going on at the moment - into Northern Ireland in particular. Empty vehicles going to NI and returning loaded (it's easier to get stuff out of NI than in). That's going to be pushing up costs as well (although again - if the process into NI gets sorted that should reduce).
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 11:38 (Ref:4028402)   #2539
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 11:42 (Ref:4028405)   #2540
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Whilst I agree that the spike in rates won't last long (as you say - somebody will undercut that) there are added costs that are going to be passed on so rates will overall increase.

There are also more empty vehicle movements going on at the moment - into Northern Ireland in particular. Empty vehicles going to NI and returning loaded (it's easier to get stuff out of NI than in). That's going to be pushing up costs as well (although again - if the process into NI gets sorted that should reduce).
Understood. I think we all expected a bumpy start. As John says give it Time.

Tel, even if in the rules and it is the same the world over, a sandwich for personal consumption is not really in the spirit of importing meat and dairy products. I remember arriving in Russia from Kazakhstan and the customs bloke asked me if I had any "dead animals" with me. Another challenge used to be smuggling pork products past customs when arriving in Doha from the UAE.
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Thanks Louis. The CARS UK rates appear lower than those quoted by MSUK.

Next question, do we need a carnet for the tow car or indeed any car we want to use touring Europe?
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 12:26 (Ref:4028413)   #2542
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The sandwich thing is actually in the rules .
https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021
No meat or dairy products to cross borders .
Just go Vegan! Although given the choice of giving up meat or giving up European trips the bacon buttie wins every time ;-)

>>>>>>>I'd still like to know on what basis MSUK think a carnet is required for non-professionals - all they say is 'Following advice, Motorsport UK understands that an ATA Carnet will be required to temporarily move motorsport vehicles and equipment across the border.'

Because the MSUK can't think beyond commercial race teams, privateers racing for fun don't cross their minds. We see it all the time in karting.
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 13:06 (Ref:4028422)   #2543
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Just go Vegan! Although given the choice of giving up meat or giving up European trips the bacon buttie wins every time ;-)

>>>>>>>I'd still like to know on what basis MSUK think a carnet is required for non-professionals - all they say is 'Following advice, Motorsport UK understands that an ATA Carnet will be required to temporarily move motorsport vehicles and equipment across the border.'

Because the MSUK can't think beyond commercial race teams, privateers racing for fun don't cross their minds. We see it all the time in karting.
I think that MSUK item is wrong .
Cars do not need an ATA , but as in Duddha,s link , they will need a CPD for some countries which are not in Europe .
And the ATA for spares etc is not needed if you go by this link
https://www.gov.uk/taking-goods-out-uk-temporarily
which means you can do it by "Duplicate List ".
But it seems that most of the information put out will be to try to make people pay for things which are not actually needed.
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 15:07 (Ref:4028436)   #2544
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But it seems that most of the information put out will be to try to make people pay for things which are not actually needed.
This must be a factor for about 50% of what the developed countries refer to as "Gross National Product".

Maybe more than 50% .
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 15:21 (Ref:4028439)   #2545
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seen that before; as Tel911 alluded to, it states:

'You mainly need a CPD in:

Africa
Asia
the Middle East
Oceania (the Pacific)
South America'

Not Europe?
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The whole point about carnets of both types is to avoid paying import duty on goods for temporary import and then re-export.

However as the deal we signed with EU is duty-free and quota-free, where is the need?

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The whole point about carnets of both types is to avoid paying import duty on goods for temporary import and then re-export.

However as the deal we signed with EU is duty-free and quota-free, where is the need?

Anyone?
Best address that question to Mr B Johnson, Downing St or Ms U Van der Layan, Brussels
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Old 12 Jan 2021, 16:57 (Ref:4028464)   #2548
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This is correct for rest of the world. It may apply to EU for single seaters, but cars with a V5C are a different animal. I contacted MSUK today. They werent very helpful. They appear to have not sort guidance from HMRC, they have been advised by the Chamber of Commerce. From what I understand it is the Chamber of Commerce that they are doing their scheme through......who I assume see selling more Carnet as advantageous. When I mentioned the tripple list solution and sent them the link they failed to even comment on it.

If my car has a V5C then I can "take" it through the port without a Carnet if I am driving. My question is simple, why would this import duty position change if I were to be towing it instead?

Our race cars are a small part. The same must apply to rally cars. But it would also apply to Smart cars on Motorhomes and moped/scooters on motorhomes that have nothing to do with racing.

I e-called HMRC and had a discussion with them. They pointed me to CARS Europe. I said that I wanted a definitive decision from HMRC, CARS are a commercial organisation with a vested interest. The kind lady sent me a form which I have sent off.

I went through Switzerland to Monza with a single seater a few years ago (car has a V5C). I enquired beofre I went and was assured it was OK. I did the red lane and stopped etc at the border. The guards were fine once they saw the V5C

I dont think yesterdays communication from MSUK was sufficiently well researched and it didnt really appreciate the position of the average club guy who manages to squeeze a trip to Spa once a year
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As to the sandwich thing, someone just likened it to fining people for walking with a cup of coffee. Over zealous was the phrase used.

Since when has enforcing the law or rules become over zealous? Have you ever tried to take a piece of fruit that you got on an aircraft but haven't yet consumed through the immigration area when you arrive in somewhere like Australia. They would have it off you immediately, and possibly fine you as well!

They are just enforcing the rules, just like we now have to because Nigel Farage wanted to leave the EU, and Cameron at al wouldn't face him down.
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Whatever. I suggest you read all of my post instead of picking up one word and trying to manipulate it. I also said it is pretty normal all over the world, even gave you examples.

As to Brexit many of us voted for it so get over it.
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