BTCC BTCC 2021 - Page 121

Pickles · 11 Apr 2021, 18:10 (Ref:4045607)

I was always a fan of the livery on the Toyota, although it looked better staionary than while racing 😂 Agreed it looks better on the Hyundai, was it announced that there would be 2 Exceler8 cars and 2 Trade Price Cars, or did I just make that up?

mark_l · 11 Apr 2021, 19:00 (Ref:4045613)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evantra

Not sure Tim Harvey will be having too much fun sayng 'Ginsters Excelr8 with TradePriceCars.Com' 😂

Tim will get as far as "Ginsters...........MMmm Pasty (drool)".

medius · 11 Apr 2021, 19:08 (Ref:4045614)

I'm curious to know why a dealer in Nottingham was chosen to unveil the car. As far as I can tell, neither the team/driver/major sponsors have any links with the area or dealer. Its Bristol Street Hyundai Nottingham is anyone hasn't seen yet.

Craner Curves · 11 Apr 2021, 19:10 (Ref:4045615)

Quote:

Originally Posted by medius

I'm curious to know why a dealer in Nottingham was chosen to unveil the car. As far as I can tell, neither the team/driver/major sponsors have any links with the area or dealer. Its Bristol Street Hyundai Nottingham is anyone hasn't seen yet.

Bristol Street Motors are an England-wide chain aren't they?

redshoes · 11 Apr 2021, 19:27 (Ref:4045616)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Bristol Street Motors are an England-wide chain aren't they?

National multi-marque chain and team sponsor. Logo is on the front wings.

Pickles · 11 Apr 2021, 19:27 (Ref:4045617)

Bristol Street Motors are sponsoring Tom

porsche962fan · 11 Apr 2021, 19:32 (Ref:4045619)

nice livery

Moneyseeker · 12 Apr 2021, 06:06 (Ref:4045649)

Quote:

Originally Posted by redshoes

National multi-marque chain and team sponsor. Logo is on the front wings.

And past BTCC team sponsor and other saloon car racing, back in the day.

It makes sense for teams running a contemporary car to link up with a dealer, I imagine they wil get some loan cars for the drivers for the season in exchange for a bit of brand, but mostly hospitality - which is why the lack of hospitality hurt so many deals last year.

S griffin · 12 Apr 2021, 08:33 (Ref:4045664)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pickles

Bristol Street Motors are sponsoring Tom

Great name from the past. They supplied the pitlane during the Birmingham Superprix IIRC

**FIRE** · 12 Apr 2021, 16:56 (Ref:4045718)

Nice livery.

Ginsters colors mix well with the blue and other sponsors.
The Logistics People colors are off base but because they are on the window it's not disruptive.

Alfisti · 12 Apr 2021, 17:45 (Ref:4045725)

Quote:

Originally Posted by medius

200 pages and not a single ''Shake with Shaun '' and yet he's been part of the biggest news of the silly season.

He's probably been way way too busy to **** about!

Besides, having people rock up to engage in a little hand shaking is definitely not a thing in a covid infested world.

Alfisti · 12 Apr 2021, 17:47 (Ref:4045726)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE

Nice livery.

Ginsters colors mix well with the blue and other sponsors.
The Logistics People colors are off base but because they are on the window it's not disruptive.

I think it looks good. Although very similar to the Toyota livery last year this seems to my eye to look better on the Hyundai. Hope to see Tingram up front, I think he can be...

porsche962fan · 12 Apr 2021, 17:49 (Ref:4045727)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Hope to see Tingram up front, I think he can be...

would be ironic if he ends up ahead of Butcher in the tables

but IMO against Sutton and Turkington will next to mission impossible

crmalcolm · 12 Apr 2021, 17:59 (Ref:4045728)

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

would be ironic if he ends up ahead of Butcher in the tables

Would it? Why so?

I think he has every chance to finish ahead of Butcher; Car is still developing, 4-strong attack to work with and plenty of experience in the team.

porsche962fan · 12 Apr 2021, 19:57 (Ref:4045736)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Would it? Why so?

I think he has every chance to finish ahead of Butcher; Car is still developing, 4-strong attack to work with and plenty of experience in the team.

because that's the car he left

billy bleach · 12 Apr 2021, 21:00 (Ref:4045743)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Would it? Why so?

I think he has every chance to finish ahead of Butcher; Car is still developing, 4-strong attack to work with and plenty of experience in the team.

Not a hope..../

crmalcolm · 12 Apr 2021, 21:47 (Ref:4045755)

So why do I think Ingram can finish ahead of Butcher?

Butcher:
In a team that for the last 7 years has only really prepared a car for one driver - to that driver's preference. They have minimal experience in preparing an NGTC car with the current RML suspension for any other driver than Ingram and have only been working on one car at a time (hybrid car excluded). Smelt is also bringing minimal experience to the team, and so their ability to extract performance from the car is hindered (IMO).

Ingram:
Moving to a team that has four cars alongside a driver who has extensive knowledge of the car. Continuity in the team means that Ingram can utilize Smiley's experience in further refinements of the car. Ingram has consistently challenged for the title in recent seasons, and can be expected to do so again.

So - in summary, consistency and continuity are the two factors in Ingram's favour. This means that it would not be a surprise for him to be ahead of Butcher, and therefore not ironic in the slightest.

Millvi · 12 Apr 2021, 22:12 (Ref:4045757)

Not a great day at Croft for Tingram it seems though. Looking at the Power Maxed Instagram from today appears he only did 6 laps.

Additionally Smiley not got a great reputation up and down the paddock as a particularly helpful teammate.

We will see how this all works out though. It’s going to be fascinating stuff though isn’t it? I rate highly, very highly, both Tingram and Butcher.

Evantra · 12 Apr 2021, 22:23 (Ref:4045760)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millvi

Not a great day at Croft for Tingram it seems though. Looking at the Power Maxed Instagram from today appears he only did 6 laps.

...and still 2 seconds ahead of Butel and Pariftt. Only testing of course, but you'd imagine the Hyundais are set up fairly similarly.

billy bleach · 13 Apr 2021, 06:35 (Ref:4045781)

[QUOTE=Millvi;4045757]Not a great day at Croft for Tingram it seems though. Looking at the Power Maxed Instagram from today appears he only did 6 laps.

No Toyotas?

Craner Curves · 13 Apr 2021, 08:56 (Ref:4045788)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

So why do I think Ingram can finish ahead of Butcher?

Butcher:
In a team that for the last 7 years has only really prepared a car for one driver - to that driver's preference. They have minimal experience in preparing an NGTC car with the current RML suspension for any other driver than Ingram and have only been working on one car at a time (hybrid car excluded). Smelt is also bringing minimal experience to the team, and so their ability to extract performance from the car is hindered (IMO).

Ingram:
Moving to a team that has four cars alongside a driver who has extensive knowledge of the car. Continuity in the team means that Ingram can utilize Smiley's experience in further refinements of the car. Ingram has consistently challenged for the title in recent seasons, and can be expected to do so again.

So - in summary, consistency and continuity are the two factors in Ingram's favour. This means that it would not be a surprise for him to be ahead of Butcher, and therefore not ironic in the slightest.

Plus Ingram is bringing his engineer from the Toyota.

antnee · 13 Apr 2021, 08:59 (Ref:4045789)

I think Tingram will be quick - certainly capable of a few wins. I don't think he will be able to put together a title challenge this year though - its a big change for him so there is likely to be a few issues/mistakes throughout the year.

Evantra · 13 Apr 2021, 11:39 (Ref:4045819)

Looks like Taylor-Smith's car will have the same basic livery as Hamilton's, according to his twitter

S griffin · 13 Apr 2021, 11:43 (Ref:4045820)

Quote:

Originally Posted by antnee

I think Tingram will be quick - certainly capable of a few wins. I don't think he will be able to put together a title challenge this year though - its a big change for him so there is likely to be a few issues/mistakes throughout the year.

I have to agree. I don’t think the Hyundai is good enough at this stage for a title challenge, but a few wins should be achievable

thetool · 13 Apr 2021, 12:05 (Ref:4045826)

The model of car does not matter. How many more times does this have to be shown?

Look at the Infiniti, VW or Audi if you need examples. Put the right driver and engineer together and you can be successful.

Dynamics don't win all the time because the Honda Civic is somehow the perfect car for NGTC. They win all the time because they have the best engineers and team management and enough money to run the cars properly. Same goes for WSR.

Sutton is an exceptional driver an the only driver outside of the few really top teams to win the championship. And that was because of the outstanding job he has done in assembling a team around him. He essentially brought the team running his Q50 to Moffat, not the other way round.

It really is all about the team running the car. Other than the aforementioned Sutton, every championship has been won by WSR or Dynamics, and for as long as one or both are still competing, or another really top team comes in from elsewhere (like RML for example) then I don't see that changing.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
[Team] Aston Martin Racing in 2023. One of the cars still has Alonso.	karting	Formula One	671	12 Apr 2024 15:37
2021 VASC Silly Season	Jack65	Australasian Touring Cars.	639	10 Dec 2021 03:39
GT World Challenge Europe 2021	Racing Harz	Sportscar & GT Racing	447	8 Sep 2021 11:21
Supercars 2021 Media Rights	peckstar	Australasian Touring Cars.	373	21 Apr 2021 11:56
Mercedes After 2021	Casper	Formula One	15	7 Apr 2018 21:28