[BTCC] BTCC 2021

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Does anyone know whether there was any filming of the action yesterday at Donington and if it's still available online? I did search yesterday, but couldn't find anything.

I'm guessing you mean Silverstone?

There might be something on the Youtube channel? http://www.youtube.com/user/btccdotnet

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by WestHam92

A three way title fight between Turkington, Sutton and Shedden would be delicious

Oh yes, would be! And I think it's very well possible that it'll be this way. Butcher may be there or thereabouts but honestly I doubt anyone will be able to really contest for the title with the trio over the whole season.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

On another query - does this confirm TD as challenging for the independents' title in 2021?

Originally Posted by thetool

Not at all. They had been made ineligible several seasons before Honda came onboard.

To bring back up a question that I may have missed being answered previously (and if so, apologies) - what has changed that now means TD are eligible for Independents' if they were made ineligible previously?

[Matt K]

Why would they be ineligible? They're not backed by a manufacturer so I thought it automatically means a team is 'independent' and classified as one?

Btw when most of the grid is independent, like it's been for many years now, I think running an independent classification is pointless. It only makes for countless tables and championships which mean nothing really. JST in a current form is also a bit useless. I'd say what would be best is just Drivers Championship, Teams Championship and Manufacturers Championship but for all cars driving for a manufacturer. So if there are 6 Hondas for instance, all can score points for Honda if Honda is a 'manufacturer' in the BTCC. Top two scorers for a brand would count for instance. And Jack Sears Trophy should be again a contest between rookies (or 'almost' rookies - guys who so far completed only few races).

[WestHam92]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Why would they be ineligible? They're not backed by a manufacturer so I thought it automatically means a team is 'independent' and classified as one?

Btw when most of the grid is independent, like it's been for many years now, I think running an independent classification is pointless. It only makes for countless tables and championships which mean nothing really. JST in a current form is also a bit useless. I'd say what would be best is just Drivers Championship, Teams Championship and Manufacturers Championship but for all cars driving for a manufacturer. So if there are 6 Hondas for instance, all can score points for Honda if Honda is a 'manufacturer' in the BTCC. Top two scorers for a brand would count for instance. And Jack Sears Trophy should be again a contest between rookies (or 'almost' rookies - guys who so far completed only few races).

Do many people watching the BTCC really care about the Teams Championship? The points never seem to tally with the Driver's Championship anyway. Turkington and Oliphant scored a combined 564 points last season but BMW only had 550. Anyone know why that is and how the Teams standings are calculated?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by WestHam92

Do many people watching the BTCC really care about the Teams Championship? The points never seem to tally with the Driver's Championship anyway. Turkington and Oliphant scored a combined 564 points last season but BMW only had 550. Anyone know why that is and how the Teams standings are calculated?

The full details are in the championships regulations, but some of the difference comes from the fact that the following points from the overall drivers' championship are not included in the teams' championship:

Qualifying on pole - 1pt.
Leading a lap - 1pt.
Fastest lap - 1pt.

So in the case of Turkington and Oliphant in 2020, they would have accrued an additional 14 points between them for pole positions, leading laps and fastest laps.

For example - at Croft:
Going into the event, Colin Turkington was on 233 points, Oliphant was on 183 points and the team was on 408.
ST - 233, TO - 183, WSR - 408.

In race one, Turkington took 15 points, Oliphant 5, adding 20 pts to the team total.
CT - 248, TO - 188, WSR - 428.

In race two, Turkington scored 0, Oliphant scored 9, adding 9 pts to the team total.
CT - 248, TO - 197, WSR - 437.

In race three, Turkington scored 1 point for fastest lap (lap 7), Oliphant scored 10 points, so only 10 points were added to the team total.
CT - 249, TO - 207, WSR - 447.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I'm guessing you mean Silverstone?

There might be something on the Youtube channel? http://www.youtube.com/user/btccdotnet

Yup, brain fade!


And thanks for the link, but nothing on there. Considering that it was a media day, I would have thought that they would have wanted to at least introduce the cars and drivers, if not the testing that went on. As they have done in previous years.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

And thanks for the link, but nothing on there. Considering that it was a media day, I would have thought that they would have wanted to at least introduce the cars and drivers, if not the testing that went on. As they have done in previous years.

I saw a few videos on their twitter and facebook feeds last night - they might still be visible?

http://twitter.com/BTCC
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Offic...65670750141050

[Robshillito1990]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Why would they be ineligible? They're not backed by a manufacturer so I thought it automatically means a team is 'independent' and classified as one?

Btw when most of the grid is independent, like it's been for many years now, I think running an independent classification is pointless. It only makes for countless tables and championships which mean nothing really. JST in a current form is also a bit useless. I'd say what would be best is just Drivers Championship, Teams Championship and Manufacturers Championship but for all cars driving for a manufacturer. So if there are 6 Hondas for instance, all can score points for Honda if Honda is a 'manufacturer' in the BTCC. Top two scorers for a brand would count for instance. And Jack Sears Trophy should be again a contest between rookies (or 'almost' rookies - guys who so far completed only few races).

Well motorbase aren't backed by any manufacturer yet are listed as a manufacturer

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Well motorbase aren't backed by any manufacturer yet are listed as a manufacturer

They are a 'constructor' entry

[AnnoyedMoose]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

They are a 'constructor' entry

What makes Motorbase any different from the other teams that build their own cars such as Dynamics, HARD, PMR etc?

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by AnnoyedMoose

What makes Motorbase any different from the other teams that build their own cars such as Dynamics, HARD, PMR etc?

It's entirely up to the team if they want to pay the registration fee to enter that championship. They've obviously seen an opportunity to get publicity with there being only 5 manufacturer cars besides them.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by WestHam92

Do many people watching the BTCC really care about the Teams Championship? The points never seem to tally with the Driver's Championship anyway. Turkington and Oliphant scored a combined 564 points last season but BMW only had 550. Anyone know why that is and how the Teams standings are calculated?

Personally speaking, no.

I long ago gave up taking any notice. It's too convoluted, and I doubt very much the typical man at race track, never mind man watching telly could explain it.

Formula 1 is easy to understand; NASCAR is easy to understand. BTCC is er what, never mind, I see Turks/ Sutton/ whoever is top dog.

[BLiTZ]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

It's entirely up to the team if they want to pay the registration fee to enter that championship. They've obviously seen an opportunity to get publicity with there being only 5 manufacturer cars besides them.

Perhaps another push to attract Ford or another manufacturer? Part of the wider marketing strategy for the team?

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

It's entirely up to the team if they want to pay the registration fee to enter that championship. They've obviously seen an opportunity to get publicity with there being only 5 manufacturer cars besides them.

I wonder if TOCA did a bit of arm-twisting and convinced them to enter. Having a title with only 3 entries isn't that great but it's a little bit more credible than having only 2 entries.

[billy bleach]

Which ones are the Manufacturer entry, MB (Hill Jackson) or Motorbase (Osbourne Neate)? Presumably the other two will run as independents ?

[AnnoyedMoose]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Which ones are the Manufacturer entry, MB (Hill Jackson) or Motorbase (Osbourne Neate)? Presumably the other two will run as independents ?

All four of them are listed as constructor entries.

[S griffin]

BMW and Toyota are definitely manufacturer backed, Ford probably provide some technical support to MB and Motorsport, if not financial. Sad for Honda they lost it though. A few could do with more backing at this time

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by AnnoyedMoose

All four of them are listed as constructor entries.

Wierd I thought only 2 score points

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Wierd I thought only 2 score points

Team has to nominate which 2 cars score points. No different to WSR having 3 manufacturer entries.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

So when we look at the Texaco Sierra - you have a car that was competing around the world in the same livery, and so exposure leads to familiarity, which leads to iconic.

In Brazil the Texaco livery is still alive:

[S griffin]

And let's not forget JPM ran it for a bit in NASCAR

[thetool]

Anyone seen the ridiculous name of one the support series this year? Look forward to hearing a lot about the snappily-titled: "Porsche Visit Cayman Islands Sprint Challenge Great Britain" series.

[Matt K]

Wow this beats even a team accelerated by their sponsor!

[Sodemo]

Reminds me of my time at Game 20 years ago where if you answered the phone you had to say "welcome to Game, where you can buy the new Xbox for 299 with a game of your choice, how can I help you".