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Old 16 Sep 2021, 03:07 (Ref:4074164)   #1001
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Happy to bag the hell out of Roland on one hand but still gives him money to run Brock with the other.

I find it hard to argue about rethinking Gen 3 though.

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Old 12 Oct 2021, 19:06 (Ref:4078243)   #1002
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Gen 3 delayed... again...
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Old 12 Oct 2021, 20:34 (Ref:4078252)   #1003
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Anymore delays might as well go Gen 4 Hybrid.
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Old 12 Oct 2021, 21:41 (Ref:4078254)   #1004
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Can’t wait for the new owners to gut the V8 architecture, fill the field with 2 litre front wheel drive buzz boxes…

At least sanity prevailed and the timetable starts a season.. if it happens
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Old 12 Oct 2021, 22:04 (Ref:4078257)   #1005
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Can’t wait for the new owners to gut the V8 architecture, fill the field with 2 litre front wheel drive buzz boxes…

At least sanity prevailed and the timetable starts a season.. if it happens

Well at least if that happened the category would get some new manufacturers....
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Old 12 Oct 2021, 22:11 (Ref:4078259)   #1006
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Well at least if that happened the category would get some new manufacturers....
Not quite right, it will have some new BRANDS not necessarily manufacturers..

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Old 12 Oct 2021, 22:51 (Ref:4078261)   #1007
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Not quite right, it will have some new BRANDS not necessarily manufacturers..

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As is the case now?
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Old 12 Oct 2021, 23:25 (Ref:4078262)   #1008
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Old 12 Oct 2021, 23:31 (Ref:4078263)   #1009
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Not quite right, it will have some new BRANDS not necessarily manufacturers..

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I think the best thing to do would be to build the Mustang and Camaro as close to GT3 regulations as possible.

So could you run the Mustang pseudo-GT3 if you want, or could you run the BMW M4 GT3 if you want, or you could run the Camaro pseudo-GT3 if you want, or you could run the Lexus RC-F GT3 if you want, or you could run the Nissan GTR GT3 if you want etc.

That would be the best way to get a good blend of manufacturers running ostensibly "Supercars".

There is no point reinventing the wheel when GT3 cars (at least the front-engined ones with a steel four-seat body, if you limit to these) are 90% the same as what Supercars intends to build and race!

You'd still have your V8 Mustang, V8 Camaro, and V8 Lexus running around for those who want to see that, but you'd also have your turbo BMW and turbo Nissan running around for those who want to see that too. Everybody's happy, not the least of which BMW, Lexus or Nissan who would engage in a much more cost effective Supercars racing program than what Supercars would otherwise ask!

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I think the best thing to do would be to build the Mustang and Camaro as close to GT3 regulations as possible.

So could you run the Mustang pseudo-GT3 if you want, or could you run the BMW M4 GT3 if you want, or you could run the Camaro pseudo-GT3 if you want, or you could run the Lexus RC-F GT3 if you want, or you could run the Nissan GTR GT3 if you want etc.

That would be the best way to get a good blend of manufacturers running ostensibly "Supercars".

There is no point reinventing the wheel when GT3 cars (at least the front-engined ones with a steel four-seat body, if you limit to these) are 90% the same as what Supercars intends to build and race!

You'd still have your V8 Mustang, V8 Camaro, and V8 Lexus running around for those who want to see that, but you'd also have your turbo BMW and turbo Nissan running around for those who want to see that too. Everybody's happy, not the least of which BMW, Lexus or Nissan who would engage in a much more cost effective Supercars racing program than what Supercars would otherwise ask!
Would you stop talking sense, you know that isn't allowed.
The other ready built option is TA2, but that doesn't bring the manufacturers in...............oh wait, that hasn't happened yet either with the current rules.
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Old 13 Oct 2021, 04:30 (Ref:4078281)   #1011
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As is the case now?
Ford has official involvement now (2021) while Holden did up until the close of operations in 2020.

Volvo had official involvement, as did Nissan.
Mercedes was a brand involved, as a private team not a manufacturer...
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Old 13 Oct 2021, 10:34 (Ref:4078296)   #1012
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Ford are here now, but will they continue for much longer if the new rules aren't to their taste? Holden should hopefully come back, although they are probably happy with customers atm

We probably won't get as good as it was when Volvo and Nissan were involved. Was good to have that variety with Merc coming in with a private team and had works involvement from Volvo and Nissan alongside Ford and Holden, but those days are probably gone for now
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Old 13 Oct 2021, 12:16 (Ref:4078307)   #1013
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Ford has official involvement now (2021) while Holden did up until the close of operations in 2020.

Volvo had official involvement, as did Nissan.
Mercedes was a brand involved, as a private team not a manufacturer...
I think the whole lot has been a brand since both Ford and Holden closed manufacturing in this country because that was what the whole DNA of SC was all about.
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Old 13 Oct 2021, 18:00 (Ref:4078333)   #1014
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You guys are missing the point - Gen 3 is only being delayed due to INTENSE INTEREST from EUROPEAN manufacturers!!!

When you've got several brands knocking down the door to get into the series the smart play is to give them time. The delay, in all likelihood, will generate more INTEREST from other brands.
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Now that makes sense. I don’t think there is any hurry for a change of rules. It can survive on the current regs for a few years, so give time for the new formula when it’s ready. It doesn’t need to be introduced now, so we can wait and enjoy how things are
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Holden doesn't exist anymore, even the service departments are called AC Delco now.


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Not sure if serious or sarcasm, I'll believe it when I see it!
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I think the whole lot has been a brand since both Ford and Holden closed manufacturing in this country because that was what the whole DNA of SC was all about.
I look at whether teams received financial and/or technical support from the manufacturer or importer. In 4 out of 5 cases it was true. The other a straight customer deal designed to make the supplier a boatload of Euros..

The story that is shared repeatedly around TCR having so many manufacturers involved is also substantially incorrect.
If I buy the TCR Alfa currently for sale at GRM, does that mean I am manufacturer supported with parts and finances?
No, it means I bought a TCR Alfa that I would have to find all of the funds to run.
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If I buy the TCR Alfa currently for sale at GRM, does that mean I am manufacturer supported with parts and finances?
No, it means I bought a TCR Alfa that I would have to find all of the funds to run.
Whether they are customer cars or not, the point is that GRM's Alfa Romeo 155s were banned from the Australian Touring Car Championship but welcomed to the Australian Super Touring Car Championship, just as GRM's Alfa Romeo Giuliettas are banned from the Australian Touring Car Championship but welcomed to the Australian TCR Series.

For a touring car championship, the ATCC has long adopted a very restrictive set of regulations that makes it difficult for entrants to affordably run a car of their choice. Whether or not Bond had Alfa Romeo backing, at least he could put his GTV6s on the ATCC grid in the first place!
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Whether they are customer cars or not, the point is that GRM's Alfa Romeo 155s were banned from the Australian Touring Car Championship but welcomed to the Australian Super Touring Car Championship, just as GRM's Alfa Romeo Giuliettas are banned from the Australian Touring Car Championship but welcomed to the Australian TCR Series.

For a touring car championship, the ATCC has long adopted a very restrictive set of regulations that makes it difficult for entrants to affordably run a car of their choice. Whether or not Bond had Alfa Romeo backing, at least he could put his GTV6s on the ATCC grid in the first place!
When were GRM Alfa 155s 'Banned' from anywhere?
And TCR cars are not 'banned' from anywhere either
They do not conform to Supercar regulations.. so are ineligible...
Ineligible... not 'banned'
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When were GRM Alfa 155s 'Banned' from anywhere?
And TCR cars are not 'banned' from anywhere either
They do not conform to Supercar regulations.. so are ineligible...
Ineligible... not 'banned'
The GRM Alfa was banned from the Bathurst 1000 in 1995, along with all other 2L cars

All 2-litre cars were banned from the 1995 ATCC too, the fact none wanted to compete in it from early 1994 was a moot point.
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You guys are missing the point - Gen 3 is only being delayed due to INTENSE INTEREST from EUROPEAN manufacturers!!!

When you've got several brands knocking down the door to get into the series the smart play is to give them time. The delay, in all likelihood, will generate more INTEREST from other brands.
Is this the intense interest from European manufacturers they’ve been talking about since 2011?
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Is this the intense interest from European manufacturers they’ve been talking about since 2011?
Yes, so you can see it's long-term, sustained INTEREST.
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You guys are missing the point - Gen 3 is only being delayed due to INTENSE INTEREST from EUROPEAN manufacturers!!!

When you've got several brands knocking down the door to get into the series the smart play is to give them time. The delay, in all likelihood, will generate more INTEREST from other brands.
Which battery supplier are the Europeans going to use?
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But will the new makes join? It's right to delay it a bit, but don't bet on others joining
They’ve been joining since 2011, at least that’s what we’ve been told every few months since then

One of these days one will probably hit , but it’s embarrassing for the category (or it should be anyway)
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