2021 Argentine touring car championships

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Originally Posted by hondafan37

Chevrolet with an official team in the Turismo Carretera and with the Camaro?

General Motors admitted that they watch "with great enthusiasm and attention" Toyota's entry into the popular category.
“The competition is always positive. We are observing this with great enthusiasm and attention. The truth is, I believe that the entry of this new player is a possibility of renewal in the TC. I think the only thing it does is add, I don't think it takes away. Obviously, there are people who do not like it, but it is something that has happened many times in motorsport when there are some important changes ”, recognized Jorge Maiquez executive of General Motors and one of the managers of the Chevrolet team in the Super TC2000, in an interview with Campeones.

https://www.automundo.com.ar/en/chev...J_jF-Pbgq-GJ9Y

Makes sense.

[TuteZaek]

There Is an aditional problem with the existing brands: Should the Camaro enter, it replaces all the Chevys or only a few, let's say, forming a team with Canapino and Ledesma, and let the others continúe with the older ones?
Because from a balance standpoint a total change would be a bigger change than Toyota entry, and It will also bring a big cost increase for current users.
While using a few cars could left some of the brand representatives in worse position than others.

That said, Chevrolet it's deep on STC 2000 side, its a main sponsor of the series, and kinda a zealot when other series uses it's branding.
Should they enter TC, STC2000 could suffer. Maybe this speech Is both a, yes, we know TC exists and it's the stronger series and also a bargaining chip for using on STC2000 team power struggle.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by TuteZaek

There Is an aditional problem with the existing brands: Should the Camaro enter, it replaces all the Chevys or only a few, let's say, forming a team with Canapino and Ledesma, and let the others continúe with the older ones?
Because from a balance standpoint a total change would be a bigger change than Toyota entry, and It will also bring a big cost increase for current users.
While using a few cars could left some of the brand representatives in worse position than others.

That said, Chevrolet it's deep on STC 2000 side, its a main sponsor of the series, and kinda a zealot when other series uses it's branding.
Should they enter TC, STC2000 could suffer. Maybe this speech Is both a, yes, we know TC exists and it's the stronger series and also a bargaining chip for using on STC2000 team power struggle.

I think old Chevys should coexist with the new Camaros.
The Super TC 2000 a long time ago ceased to be an important series, I think they lost a lot when they advanced their races so that Mrs. Mirtha had her lunches, and I'm not K !! I support Milei !!! although I am from Province and I go by Espert.

[TuteZaek]

In terms of importance, STC2000 it's the second series of Argentina, during the time that all the series were on the same TV station and when it wasn't super , was the first, or close to first.

But after the TV divorce, when the series started to actually compete, not only for rating but for pilots ando brands, the things changed.
Suddenly the TN, not being the support series of Top Race on TV, started to grow on both quality and interest, and the TC mantained it's numbers and top pilots.

So the Super was born, directly aimed to take the throne of the fastest touring series on the country (and limiting the top race on the process) from the TC. It was a bold move and went good at first, but the strain was a lot for the private teams and most couldn't continúe. Then TC responded with it's own engine evolution.

Today STC2000 it's still the automakers series, there lies it's power, but also depends on them, and both the TN and crucially now, the TC are starting to atract the brands, spearheaded by Toyota (and Renault to some degree) and other brands (with many fans as Is Chevrolet) having to respond to Toyota actions, things are turning weird
Add the awfull coverage that made the teams release a public letter in protest, the pressure on the series it's in all time high.

Finally there Is another issue, the cars, there isn't replacement for many of the cars racing on sale now: the Fluence it's dead, and Renault doesn't have a model in it's range, same for the Focus (long gone by now) an the Civic too, the Cruze future Is uncertain, only the Corolla seems safe, and Toyota it's going TC and not too happy with the STC200p now.
The TC Camry move could be bigger than It seems (as big as It Is) giving the brands a "racing halo car" for advertizing
In fact both TC and STC2000 are having the same issue with the cars, just that on TC isn't as pressing and they already made a mover. Or two actually, making the pickup series, the segment were the market is now.

[NaBUru38]

The Súper TC2000 has several top drivers: Barrichello, Rossi, Canapino, Pern?*a, Ardusso, Santero, Llaver...

[NaBUru38]

Renault could switch to the Logan if they wanted.

[TuteZaek]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Renault could switch to the Logan if they wanted.

Its not on the same class, the fluence Is a C compact, and a fairly long one, the Logan Is a smaller B, a subcompact, dont't even know if its allowed by the rules.

The C segment its a dying one here, sadly, its the logic choice for the country.
Should the series move to the b segment, this could mitigate this problem for a while, or until the brands stop shoving SUVs down our throats.

[TuteZaek]

While the news it's Ortelli's retirement from racing, there are weird things happening on the JP Carrera team (the one where he Is racing), that as of now doesn't have any driver for next year.

Ciantini, who before last weekend, was confirmed for 2022, left immediatelly afrer Toay's race, on grounds of sloppy work on the Dodge, that affected the Pilot chances.
Ciantini bought the Dodge and the engine and left for Dimeglio's shop on a trailer directly from the racetrack.

Ortelli obviously retired.

And finally Ardusso was informed that there "Is no place for him on the team" because of "an incredible oportunity"

The oportunity of course Is the coming of Canapino, who would come with the sponsorship of YPF, the main sponsor of Chevrolet on STC2000 (Also the main sponsor of Toyota) that sponsorship isn't compatible with Ardusso (sponsored by Puma Energy, a rival company).

This could mean, not only the return of YPF as a main sponsor on a car on the series (or three, the Toyotas should be also sponsored by the brand) since Fontana's 2011 Torino, but, crucially, a first step for Chevrolet coming oficially to the TC.

Talking about sponsors, the Gury Mart?*nez team could bring/have a new branding/sponsor across all the cars of the team with, maybe, a change of colors.

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Does this mean Squadra Canapino cease to exist? I assume this has to do with the passing of his father.

[TuteZaek]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Does this mean Squadra Canapino cease to exist? I assume this has to do with the passing of his father.

Thats whats everyone believes, especally since Canapino himself said repeatedly that "he wants to be only a Pilot again"

I guess that some of the technical staff would follow him (as Werner's did when he went to Mart?*nez) to whatever team he goes, but the JP rumours grow stronger by the day, almost treated as a fact already

[hondafan37]

The ACTC visited the street track of Punta del Este:
The last Wednesday, a delegation led by Fernando Miori and Roberto Argento visited the Uruguayan track. The project aims for the Turismo Carretera to race in Punta del Este in 2023.

https://www.solotc.com.ar/tc-actc-in...T5oYyAyAtHf0og

[TuteZaek]

Julian Santero just won the TN championship, with a works TGR Corolla, after ending 4th on the Toay race, that was won by Teti, with a Cruze, followed by Gomes and Castellano, both also with Cruzes, Castellano's one being an older gen one, that Is being retired (That Cruze model homologation ends this year).

Merlo and Chapur, the clósest rivals of Santero, crashed while fighting for 1st, when Chapur Focus engine failed (again, engine seems Chapur bane this year, both here and on the Pickups) and Merlo crashed him from behind damaging the front of his Corolla

Meanwhile on the Top Race TGR also got to celebrate as Azar, the championship leader, with a TGR Camry won on San Juan Villicun, over his team mate Reutemann for a Toyota 1-2, with Aldrighetti coming 3rd in a Mercedes, while championship challenger Ciarrochi (Mondeo, Lincoln Sport Group) ended without fuel on 6th, being one of many with that problem.

Next week Buenos Aires, Oscar y Juan Gálvez hosts STC2000 definition, on the circuit 9, while San Juan (that also will recieve the TC last race) hosts the TC Pick up,TC Mouras AND TC pista Mouras final event for the year.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

The ACTC visited the street track of Punta del Este:
The last Wednesday, a delegation led by Fernando Miori and Roberto Argento visited the Uruguayan track. The project aims for the Turismo Carretera to race in Punta del Este in 2023.

https://www.solotc.com.ar/tc-actc-in...T5oYyAyAtHf0og

The TC cars aren't exactly nimble...

[TuteZaek]

The main problem with the tc Is how wide they are. Passing will be near impossible
While they aren't TN class 2 nimble, they aren't as uwieldly as some say, like the are on Nascar level. They are circuit specific chasis with lots of grip and aero that favors high speed córners, but they also run on fairly technical circuits.
If the V8 stc2000 that were undesteer monsters could run the circuit, the TC shouldnt have many problems with It.
That said, It would be a Ford parade with some Torino here and there for variety.

[hondafan37]

Daniel Herrero: The president of Toyota Argentina spoke exclusively with Automundo about the brand's entry into TC.
"It would be very ambitious to say that you want to go to the TC to win from the start"
"We are thinking of starting in the Top Race with some Lexus scheme. The idea is to keep growing"
https://www.automundo.com.ar/en/toyo...ota-argentina/

[TuteZaek]

Man, Toyota Argentina doesn't rests! Lexus going to the TR (or any argentine series) Is as unexpected as the TC move.

Next year there are also TN C2 teams going for the Yaris homologation, maybe there Is a mild TGR support coming for some?

Talking about Turismo Nacional, next year there will be a new one-make series, using the Fiat 500, as a low cost, first feeder series, the cars , prepared by Fido Porfiri will have 170hp turbo engines and its intended for young drivers starting their touring car carreers, after karts and minor fórmula.

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Does it replace the current Fiat Competizione series?

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by TuteZaek

Man, Toyota Argentina doesn't rests! Lexus going to the TR (or any argentine series) Is as unexpected as the TC move.

Next year there are also TN C2 teams going for the Yaris homologation, maybe there Is a mild TGR support coming for some?

Talking about Turismo Nacional, next year there will be a new one-make series, using the Fiat 500, as a low cost, first feeder series, the cars , prepared by Fido Porfiri will have 170hp turbo engines and its intended for young drivers starting their touring car carreers, after karts and minor fórmula.

It is true, Toyota is the soul of Argentine motorsports, they are the only ones that are in all categories and now taking the initiative for the renovation of the TC.
I recognize that Pechito Lopez made me a big fan of the brand with his participation in the WEC.
I was hoping to see Pechito in the second Toyota in the TC, considering that the WEC has only 6 races and that leaves him a lot of free time to be in another category, but I don't think that happens.
A rumor page of the TC mentioned that on the occasion of the 200 KM of Buenos Aires, Pechito found in a hotel with Hugo Mazzacane, that happened before the announcement of Toyota's arrival at the TC, but after that nothing else was mentioned.

[TuteZaek]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Does it replace the current Fiat Competizione series?

No, the Fiat Competizione runs alongside to the STC2000, and Is intended as a gentleman racers series.

This one goes along Turismo Nacional and Is more like a touring car Fórmula Renault.
Also, theres been mentions of an upper age limit for it

[TuteZaek]

Nice definition races this weekend.
Canapino (Chevrolet) won te STC2000 championship over Pernia (Renault) on a really good race, the champion arrived 3rd on Bs As, while Pernia 2nd wasnt enough, Santero won the race. This Is Canapino 2nd STC2000 championship

On the pickups, Werner (TGR Toyota) retired with a steering problem, that almost guaranteed Gianini (JPG Ford) championship, nonetheless the Ranger pilot had an amazing race, ending 2nd, passing Jakos (TGR Toyota), the eventual sub champion, on the last lap. This Is Gianini 3rd consecutive championship on the series. Ciantini (Midas Toyota) won the race.

A whole chapter Is needed for the TC Pista Mouras and TC mouras championships.
On the pista, a late penalizing to Bracco (Dodge) wich ended 6th on the race promoted Chansard (Dodge)to 8th, gave him the title by a single point over the race winner Deambrossi (Ford)

While on the TC Mouras, Quijada (Dodge) won the championship on a nightmarish weekend with three broken engines, and retiring on 19th position, but with his championship rivals having problems as well.

Afterall, nice and clóse end for the championships.

Now only Top Race and TC left.
With the particularity that, on TC, all the Pilots that today defined the national championships today (Pernia, Gianini, Canapino and Werner) have chances to win the championship.

[NaBUru38]

I watched most of the Súper TC2000 race, which I hadn't done in a while (today I couldn't have launch at my father's as usual). I certainly enjoyed it. The on-track show didn't seem a failed series to me, but crowds and TV ratings are another story.

[TuteZaek]

STC2000 race was good, the category Is capable of putting good shows, the teams, cars, and drivers are top notch, the main problem (As of now) of the series lies in its internal problems and, especially, the administration, and their choices about the coverage of the series.
After the public letter of the teams, the thing seems better.

Talking about coverage, there Is a new (for me at least) platform for streaming the races, for the ACTC ones and the Turismo Nacional, Motorplay.tv, the problem Is now there Is no YouTube live coverage, in this weekend TCPU/TCM/TCPM there was the stream, but It only showed the motorplay ad.
The MP stream was ok, tho, has onboard and (i think) multicam.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by TuteZaek

Talking about coverage, there Is a new (for me at least) platform for streaming the races, for the ACTC ones and the Turismo Nacional, Motorplay.tv, the problem Is now there Is no YouTube live coverage, in this weekend TCPU/TCM/TCPM there was the stream, but It only showed the motorplay ad.
The MP stream was ok, tho, has onboard and (i think) multicam.

As a regular viewer of TC, TC Pickups and TN class 3 races that's really unfortunate. Motorplay is free (at least for now), but still prefer Youtube.

[TuteZaek]

Werner (Ford-Martinez Competición) Is the 2021 Turismo Carretera champion* after arriving 10th on the last race on Villicum.

*Barring the resolution of an incident between Lambiris (Ford-Lusqtoff Racing) who arrived 2nd on the race and Todino (Torino-Alifraco Sport), the winner on San Juan.

Lambiris has more points than Werner but needed a race win for being crowned champion, should the incident result go his way, he would become the champion, AND would be the first foreing driver to do so

[TuteZaek]

Well, Werner's championship Is now oficial, the race directors didnt penalize Todino (btw, last post said he raced for Alifraco, but he actually Is from the MaquinParts team)for the incident* so no change and no victory for Lambiris.

It's the second time since implementing the playoff system that a pilot ends with more points, but doesn't win the championship for lack of a v?*ctory. Notably the last driver to suffer this rule was Werner on 2010, losing the championship to Canapino.

If the playoff didnt exist, Werner still would have won the championship by a landslide, with over 200 points over Lambiris on 2nd

*I guess since he didn't pass Lambiris on the incident but some laps latter there was no need to penalize, also the two cars ended with damage, and race directors asked for the telemetry to compare.