[Official] Qatar Grand Prix 2021: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 20 of 22

[Adam43]

Read it a fourth time it might not make sense again

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Beau2

An outcome is different to being found guilty of said offences...or not. My original post was about AsccracingUk's assumption of guilt not an eventual outcome if found guilty.

To me, it will be a surprise if Verstappen receives a penalty but Sainz and Bottas don't (or vice versa). If Verstappen receives a harsher penalty I will not be surprised at all.

I'm afraid I didn't quite understand your post first of all. After re-reading it about 3 times now I do.

My assumption is an opinion based on video evidence and the rules along with over 10 years experience as a flag marshal at national and international motorsport events including Indycar, Le Mans and Formula 1.

Now there’s always the chance that my assumption could be wrong, however if the rules are followed to the letter, I am not wrong.

Your point of view and opinion comes from twisting or misinterpreting drivers interviews, fabricating a green flag which didn’t exist, along with a yellow light on the dash that isn’t relevant per the rules.

As you say though, we will see tomorrow, but I will be surprised and disappointed if the FIA don’t act, especially after harping on about setting an example post race in Brazil.

I’m out. Time for bed.

[Beau2]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Adam, I wouldn’t bother….I’ve tried reasoning with him for the last 3 hours, presenting fact but all Beau does it assume things or doesn’t grasp the rules. Best go to bed!

Ok dude. I'll sure look forward to your inevitable rant if no penalties are given. This debate is enough for me now but you set your stall here by making a false equivalence between the results of the Brazil investigations and these completely separate allegations to claim that the FIA are biased.

I will, as always wait on the final verdict before assuming guilt, or what outcome will be granted to each individual driver.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Beau2

Ok dude. I'll sure look forward to your inevitable rant if no penalties are given. This debate is enough for me now but you set your stall here by making a false equivalence between the results of the Brazil investigations and these completely separate allegations to claim that the FIA are biased.

I will, as always wait on the final verdict before assuming guilt, or what outcome will be granted to each individual driver.

I’ve not made a false equivalence anywhere, nor have I claimed the fia are biased or compared this situation to Brazil. You really do need to learn to read properly. Maybe then you won’t misinterpret what people are saying, whether they are forum member or f1 drivers

Rant? Nope…as long as the FIA give clear, concise, open reasoning for it, then I will be content to take their word for it.

I think you need to read my posts 3 or 4 times, like Adam’s above until they make sense you do seem to get confused easily

[Beau2]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

I’ve not made a false equivalence anywhere, nor have I claimed the fia are biased or compared this situation to Brazil. You really do need to learn to read properly. Maybe then you won’t misinterpret what people are saying, whether they are forum member or f1 drivers

Rant? Nope…as long as the FIA give clear, concise, open reasoning for it, then I will be content to take their word for it.

Post #45 suggests otherwise. You clearly made a false equivalence between various unrelated investigations. But ok, carry on with your passive aggressive and sarcastic posting.

Have a good night and lets try and enjoy the race tomorrow regardless of the outcome of these investigations.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Beau2

Post #45 suggests otherwise. But ok, carry on with your passive aggressive and sarcastic posting.

Have a good night and lets try and enjoy the race tomorrow regardless of the outcome of these investigations.

And I quote:

“I think after winggate and Brazil, if max isn’t penalised for this (along with any other drivers who infringed) the FIA would look plain embarrassing”

Nowhere have I created a false equivalency, compared this incident to Brazil or called the FIA biased.

Again there you go again ‘suggests’. That’s your own misinterpretation and assumption.

Again, I’ve stated before I’m not being sarcastic or passive aggressive….again that’s your own assumption.

[Beau2]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

I think you need to read my posts 3 or 4 times, like Adam’s above until they make sense you do seem to get confused easily

I would rather not... thanks.

Have a good night

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Adam43

One was double yellows, two were single. That is a difference. Hence it could be different outcome.

And not surprising. Unless you are easily surprised.

Agreed.
Previous penalty for single yellow - 3 grid place.
Previous penalty for double yellow - 5 grid place.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with passion.

I totally agree, it is the use of the possessive intimating they are activally involved in the team that bugs me. Things like "we are a bit slow in practise but we will be faster in the race" Hallo, when did you become a team member and not a fan??? Don't try and argue that being a fan makes you part of the team, that is just fantasy land stuff. Become a true fan of F1 overall, follow a team and enjoy the racing. I will now get off my soapbox.

Signed: COF (Crank Old Fart)

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Casper

I totally agree, it is the use of the possessive intimating they are activally involved in the team that bugs me. Things like "we are a bit slow in practise but we will be faster in the race" Hallo, when did you become a team member and not a fan??? Don't try and argue that being a fan makes you part of the team, that is just fantasy land stuff. Become a true fan of F1 overall, follow a team and enjoy the racing. I will now get off my soapbox.

Signed: COF (Crank Old Fart)

I think thankfully for the most part, most of those on 10tenths are pretty restrained for the modern era….if we can get rid of the ‘whattaboutery’ and alternate realities we would be ok….just don’t head to PistonHeads or Twitter….

[S griffin]

Hamilton takes the pole. His position is going to look even better if Max gets a penalty for the yellow flag infringement. And what's more, he's got Bottas to back him up, while Checo isn't even in the top ten to help Max

Good to see both Alpha Tauris up there, Gasly 4th and Tsunoda 8th. Bit odd what happened at the end there to Pierre, just missed the pit entry, then proceeded to park on the track

Good to see Alonso up there too

[Sodemo]

Well it looks like Bottas might get a penalty too if Max does, so he might not be there to back him up quite so much.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Well it looks like Bottas might get a penalty too if Max does, so he might not be there to back him up quite so much.

But - Bottas was a single yellow, so normally a lesser penalty.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

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[Lancsbreaker]

Less than two hours to go to race time, and over two hours since Max was due before the stewards, and no news?



Cutting it fine......

[crmalcolm]

Bottas - 3 place grid penalty.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Bottas - 3 place grid penalty.

Bottas 3
Max 5

As I said, no mitigating circumstances, no green flag, the stewards have even cited previous incidents as way of explaination.

Interesting reading the stewards decision, Max admitted he saw Gasly and still didn’t slow down, Bottas just said he didn’t notice the flag.

Silly Max.

[crmalcolm]

So, consistency in a Stewards' ruling? Who would have thought it possible?

"Earlier this year, Vettel was given a five-place grid penalty for failing to slow under double waved yellow flags during qualifying for the Bahrain Grand Prix.

Vettel failed to abandon his lap under the double yellows at Turn 1, although the stewards acknowledged that he had never been clearly shown these flags. However, as he could see the spun car of Nikita Mazepin at Turn 1, he was deemed to have committed the transgression and given the penalty, and penalty points.

In 2020, McLaren driver Lando Norris (in Turkey) and Williams' George Russell (in Great Britain) were also given five-place grid penalties after being found to have failed to slow for double yellow flags."

[gert]

Is Sainz' penalty confirmed?

ATM on Autosport.com, there's a pice about Bottas: 3 and Verstappen: 5 but no mention about Sainz?

Just this in the piece about Verstappen:

Valtteri Bottas and Carlos Sainz Jr also met with the stewards for failing to slow for single-waved yellow flags, with Bottas being handed a three-place grid drop.

That seems to suggest Sainz has been cleared?

[ascarracinguk]

FFS Horner now blaming marshals. I’m done with him. Never takes responsibility for their actions

NO CHRISTIAN!!!!

Marshals are your first line of defence, they can react quicker to a situation than a guy in a room 400m away….that’s what they’re there for!!!

[gert]

Autosport's piece on Verstappen has been updated and it now reads:

Valtteri Bottas and Carlos Sainz Jr also met with the stewards for failing to slow for single-waved yellow flags, with Bottas being handed a three-place grid drop, while Sainz has avoided a grid penalty.

and

Verstappen confirmed to the stewards he had seen Gasly’s stricken car, to which they argued: “It is reasonable to expect, as was the case of the driver of Car 55, that there was a potential danger and that a yellow flag situation probably existed and therefore to take the appropriate action.”

So Sainz has effectively been cleared of doing anything wrong? ... and must have taken "appropriate action" (car 55) ?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Lewis has got this one in the bag. A bit of poetic justice after Brazil?

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Lewis has got this one in the bag. A bit of poetic justice after Brazil?

Let’s get through lap 1 first. Alonso and Gasly could be very eager and fast off the start

[john ruston]

Alonso to screw it all up?

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

FFS Horner now blaming marshals. I’m done with him. Never takes responsibility for their actions

NO CHRISTIAN!!!!

Marshals are your first line of defence, they can react quicker to a situation than a guy in a room 400m away….that’s what they’re there for!!!

Just seen this - can't believe Horner effectively suggesting that drivers should have the right to make their own decisions about whether a yellow flag is to be respected, or not.........