[BTCC] BTCC 2022 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[medius]

Originally Posted by mj088

I'm always unsure on this rule is there not a stipulation of being on sale within the last 5 years? im sure this is in part why the Chevys had to be ditched at the end of 2017 and the MG's in 2019?

The irony being that the Dynamics DC5 Integra was the genesis of the dealer network part of the rule and the Dynamics Fk2 Civic was the reason for the 5 year part. But no the Fk8 is good for a while yet. The next car to drop off is the Astra I think.

[antnee]

Originally Posted by medius

The irony being that the Dynamics DC5 Integra was the genesis of the dealer network part of the rule and the Dynamics Fk2 Civic was the reason for the 5 year part. But no the Fk8 is good for a while yet. The next car to drop off is the Astra I think.

It seems the FK8 Civic is the only one mentioned on the Honda UK site, while Vauxhall are showing the new Astra. I think it is highly unlikely that we would see any of the Civics & Astras still running in 2027 anyway though.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by medius

The irony being that the Dynamics DC5 Integra was the genesis of the dealer network part of the rule and the Dynamics Fk2 Civic was the reason for the 5 year part. But no the Fk8 is good for a while yet. The next car to drop off is the Astra I think.

That seems right. I think, from the 2021 grid:

Q50 - up to 2025
Astra K - up to 2026
Civic FK8 - up to 2027

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by antnee

It seems the FK8 Civic is the only one mentioned on the Honda UK site, while Vauxhall are showing the new Astra. I think it is highly unlikely that we would see any of the Civics & Astras still running in 2027 anyway though.

BTCC 2027 season discussion, News and Rumours thread?

[S griffin]

It's very intriguing seeing who's going where. I do think some teams have maybe too many seats, which is a shame in some respects, as I do think it would be nice to have some more teams on the grid to spice it up. But we'll see what happens

[crmalcolm]

While the subject of eligible cars is being mentioned - 2022 will see NGTC become the longest set of regulations in use in the history of BTCC, overtaking ST.

Previously, ST was used from 1991-2000.
NGTC was first used in 2010, (Thompson in FP1 at Brands) and is set to run for quite a few years more.

Has NGTC delivered us everything it promised?

• Dramatically reduce the design, build and running costs of the cars and engines
• Reduce the potential for significant performance disparities between cars
• ‘Future proof’ the regulations by being able to easily modify the various performance parameters
• Reduce reliance on WTCC/S2000 equipment, due to increasing costs/complexity and concerns as to its future sustainability/direction

For some information on NGTC numbers, as we enter a season with a capacity 32-car grid:
Over 100 drivers have now competed in the series at the wheel of NGTC cars.
Not counting bodyshell changes (ST/RS, Tourer/Hatch) Over 21 models of car have competed.

[Sodemo]

I think it’s fair to say that they have reduced the engine costs, however the chassis builds costs I believe are £200,000+, so I don’t know if that aim has been achieved.

[coffinpilot]

Going back to the Hybrid thing. Didn't Ciceley run it on their 125?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by coffinpilot

Going back to the Hybrid thing. Didn't Ciceley run it on their 125?

Yes - https://www.btcc.net/2021/09/09/rwd-btcc-hybrid-breaks-cover/

[antnee]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I think it’s fair to say that they have reduced the engine costs, however the chassis builds costs I believe are £200,000+, so I don’t know if that aim has been achieved.

Costs are a funny subject. These cars are expensive to build (and you either have to build it yourself or buy one off a rival) and have no real resale value. Where as the likes of TCR cars hold their values well as they can be run in many different series.

[Moneyseeker]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I think it’s fair to say that they have reduced the engine costs, however the chassis builds costs I believe are £200,000+, so I don’t know if that aim has been achieved.

But you can amortise them over several seasons, whilst keeping them competitive until they get really ancient, and you can use some of the standardised parts from one car to build another car in a new chassis or model, so all in all I think they are good value for a team.

[GregoryDG]

Originally Posted by S700UBO

Would make sense on the naming front

Butcher and Chilton first out the hat?

It's a No for Chilton apparently, who might have signed with Hyundai if you believe Reddit.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by GregoryDG

It's a No for Chilton apparently, who might have signed with Hyundai if you believe Reddit.

Hyundai meaning Excelr8 or Hyundai elsewhere? (Like WTCR, TCR Europe for instance)

[BobJones]

Originally Posted by medius

No. Cosworth and M-Sport were operating the engine and hybrid parts of the car, Speedworks only did the bare bones of making the car go around the track reliably (suspension and gearbox). Likewise with Ciceley and the 1-series Hybrid

To add to this, the Toyota hybrid mule spent most of its year running around M-Sport's Cumbrian base with zero Speedworks involvement.

[Bazz]

normally a lurker but thought id register as always great to follow the build up to the season opener.

At this stage of the year its also super exciting to see who will win the annual entry list competition between 962 and crmalcolm. Always a close and bitter race between the two longtime great mates. My money is on 962 this year who got a headstart but crmalcolm refuses to give in.

[GregoryDG]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Hyundai meaning Excelr8 or Hyundai elsewhere? (Like WTCR, TCR Europe for instance)

Sorry, Excelr8

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by GregoryDG

Sorry, Excelr8

Nice that he stays in the BTCC (or at least that's the rumour) and in a FWD machinery he might be back to consistent Top 10 finishes and some podiums.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by Bazz

normally a lurker but thought id register as always great to follow the build up to the season opener.

At this stage of the year its also super exciting to see who will win the annual entry list competition between 962 and crmalcolm. Always a close and bitter race between the two longtime great mates. My money is on 962 this year who got a headstart but crmalcolm refuses to give in.

I can see the Table Wars is the unique selling point for this forum

Btw welcome to the forum

[bella]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Nice that he stays in the BTCC (or at least that's the rumour) and in a FWD machinery he might be back to consistent Top 10 finishes and some podiums.

good for excelr8 as well if he's bringing a budget?

Originally Posted by Bazz

normally a lurker but thought id register as always great to follow the build up to the season opener.

At this stage of the year its also super exciting to see who will win the annual entry list competition between 962 and crmalcolm. Always a close and bitter race between the two longtime great mates. My money is on 962 this year who got a headstart but crmalcolm refuses to give in.

this is the best first post in ages, well played

both are useful tools and their lists are handy as well. keep working on them chaps

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by GregoryDG

Sorry, Excelr8

With Parfitt out then? Haven't heard much regarding the Smiley / Bert Taylor 'team' of late?

[BobJones]

Originally Posted by antnee

Where as the likes of TCR cars hold their values well as they can be run in many different series.

They are also incredibly boring and that means fewer fans and fewer fans means less sponsorship revenue.

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by GregoryDG

It's a No for Chilton apparently, who might have signed with Hyundai if you believe Reddit.

And there's someone who could bring the funding for a Hyundai engine built by Swindon.....

[5five]

Originally Posted by Bazz

normally a lurker but thought id register as always great to follow the build up to the season opener.

At this stage of the year its also super exciting to see who will win the annual entry list competition between 962 and crmalcolm. Always a close and bitter race between the two longtime great mates. My money is on 962 this year who got a headstart but crmalcolm refuses to give in.

But really, is it all just a big pantomime act for the fans, a la Neal and Plato?

[GregoryDG]

Originally Posted by Evantra

With Parfitt out then? Haven't heard much regarding the Smiley / Bert Taylor 'team' of late?

Tingram, Chilton, Smiley and Hamilton it seems for Excelr8...

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by GregoryDG

Tingram, Chilton, Smiley and Hamilton it seems for Excelr8...

Wow, solid line-up... mostly. I thought it was quite likely Butel would stay on.