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Well, they have to run it somewhere because the former circuit has been well built over by now
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I've heard November for Las Vegas. And I mean, it was going to have to be a cooler part of the year.
i don't think the course layout looks all that much on paper, but I suspect racing there will be as good or better than a number of the more "modern" permanent circuits in F1. (DRS is a universal in F1, so it's an even playing field on that front.) I do like that they aren't trying to go for a record number of corners. We haven't had a new circuit with so few in 15+ years. Given the lap length, average speed will be high, very much unlike the '80s F1 street circuits here. And I could see 3-4 decent to very good overtaking points per lap. Yes, in theory, I'd love F1 back at Watkins Glen, or up at Road America, but if that meant butchering those tracks, then F1 can stay the hell away from them. Funny thing is, the "infield" extension done to Laguna Seca for the 1988 season was an attempt to draw F1 there. As for street circuits in F1, Jeddah seems like the gold standard now. It's a spectacular setting, actually being right there in the city proper, unlike Valencia. It has the waterfront, unlike Vegas. And there are a number of spots where, though it's a fast circuit, the cars are visibly very much on edge, a rarity these days. Or if it isn't, you just can't tell on the Grade 1 permanent circuits nowadays, really. I haven' seen top-level open-wheel cars hang the tail out like that on the limit since CART ran Vancouver. One thing I've seen brought up that will definitely have to be looked at is the track lighting. The city surroundings are the point here. If the floodlights in Vegas drown out everything else, like is the case on the ground in Singapore, you've just defeated the purpose. |
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I agree, leave the great US race circuits where they are. Personally I think F1 is getting too big for it's boots with these constant new venues. If there weren't so many races on the calendar, it would be much better for the sport. America is a great country, but we don't need 3 GPs there IMO
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The only time three F1 GPs were held in the US in the same year was 1982: United States Grand Prix West at Long Beach on April 4, the Detroit Grand Prix on June 6 and Caesar's Palace Grand Prix on September 25.
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Gonna have to keep an eye on those drivers. You know those tables will be calling them. Reasons as to why it's also known as "Lost wages"...
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Its a difficult and often controvertial topic is "circuit safety". I do love the fact that not many of the US tracks mentioned in the posts above have been altered too much over the decades that have passed. I guess the FIA has a much stricter policy on what is considered "safe", rightly or wrongly. I personally thought the Saudi Arabia track was actually pretty good and was a real "drivers test", however I know that some drivers have voiced concerns over its safety levels after a number of big accidents in 2021 and 2022. I am not really sure where to go on this because on the one hand we want tracks that test drivers and punish mistakes (dont we?) but on the other hand no one wants to see drivers hurt. I do think that there is a level of hypocrisy when they pass tracks like Saudi Arabia as "safe", but then insist on pulling apart tracks like Silverstone, Spa, Monaco etc. I think one of the classic things F1 does is go to an older track, say that it wants to run there again, makes massive changes to remove all is character and challenge and then dumps the venue after a few races. Mt Fuji is the best example of this, but I can offer the A1 Ring, Donington Park and even Brands Hatch as slightly less relevant cases.
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Sodemo, something in the back of mind tells me that the decision to no longer have F1 at Mt Fuji was actually taken by Toyota who own it. I think that it was that they could no longer afford to run the race there. I don't believe that the FIA or FOM dropped the races there.
Suzuka has the advantage that it is a "theme" park which includes the race track, and is therefore financially sustainable. |
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There's ZERO, REPEAT ZERO chance before the end of the season if they want a Saturday night race. It's just not happening on The Mouse. They'll want an OTA race broadcast, and Saturday night has football coverage on ESPN/ABC and the rest of the channels. There's only ONE game and NOT on ABC/ESPN after the season. They are NOT going to take NCAA games that they pay through the nose for to put on a race that will draw 5% of the viewers.
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I guess what I am saying is that if F1 maybe didn't need to crank the entire circus up to eleven all the time, they might be able to fit into circuits that otherwise might say "no" to F1. F1 has experimented with ideas at times. Stuff like the Saturday sprint race, etc. It would be interesting for them to experiment with a "light weight footprint" race. Cut down on the amount of equipment they bring, same for portable facilities, etc. and see if a much more intimate and "old school" event might be fun. But that would never happen. Too much change. Probably would be too much of an ask for the teams to "slim down" for an experiment. Quote:
It is at least a hour drive from the closest US interstate (I-40/85). And those to the north are much further away. It's all somewhat "back roads" to get there. But in a weird way, I have a relatively straight shot to VIR from my house. It's only 1hr 20 minutes away for me. But much like how the Red Bull Ring in Austria has beautiful landscape surrounding the track, VIR is the same with lots of classic farmland, forests and the nearby Dan River. Richard |
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And now Toyota has WEC at Fuji so they're happy
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Yes, Toyota has all it needs in WEC, so they have a lot to be happy about there
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its Vegas so is a PPV event out of the question? their desire to monetize the US market probably has more to do with the size of the gate rather then number of eyeballs watching. and a couple of weeks back, Domenicali was talking about their deal with Netflix and their need to see this area grow. depending on the article or quotes you read it either sounds like they expect more from Netflix to they are looking for a new streaming partner to take it to the next level. so speaking of the Mouse, could they be looking to do something through their Disney+ service possibly even thinking live streaming of specific F1 races...essentially take another page from the NFL playbook and their Thursday Night deal with Amazon Prime. basically a creative way to sell games on off nights that no one is really that interesting in watching anyways? live streaming of sports is the next frontier for streaming services and being honest, if Disney+ offered an option to include or even add on an F1TV plan to my disney service then thats a much easier sell to me. obviously just speculating, but its Vegas so i expect their solution will somehow cost us all more money! |
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I just think this is quite an ambitious project F1 is doing, it's obvious this Vegas event is going to be for big bucks. I mean F1 hasn't exactly had a great relationship with America, so why do we need 3?
Really I think Domenicalli needs a change of tact. He seems to be more interested in showbusiness than the actual sport. I just hope we don't see F1 on some streaming service like Disney+. What's fine for one sport is not necessarily fine for another. I just feel this Vegas event is all wrong and kind of sums up how greedy F1 and Liberty have become. Putting it on streaming services is just driving away more audiences. We'll see if anything good comes of this GP |
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I would be interested to see viewing figures for the last few years. Anyone know of a resource?
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