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Old 18 Apr 2022, 04:11 (Ref:4107113)   #276
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Also the bigger issue is that outside of VW & Audi it seems less than 2/3 of the field is reliable enough to finish a 20 lap race. Who were they kidding with a 500km enduro?

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TCR cars do enduro’s all the time around the world.

Australian preparation of the cars may be the issue, TCR cars in themselves doing 24hr races is part of what they were designed to do!
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Old 18 Apr 2022, 05:05 (Ref:4107114)   #277
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TCR cars do enduro’s all the time around the world.
To perfectly reinforce my point, the entry list for the 2021 & 2022 Creventic 24H TCE series consists ONLY of VAG vehicles.

Others were present in 2020.
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Old 18 Apr 2022, 07:03 (Ref:4107118)   #278
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To perfectly reinforce my point, the entry list for the 2021 & 2022 Creventic 24H TCE series consists ONLY of VAG vehicles.

Others were present in 2020.
That doesn’t reinforce anything.

A Peugeot finished second in the 2019 Spa 500, and the Michelin Pilot Challenge is all endurance races and the TCR class was won by a Honda at the opening round in Daytona, and the class features a strong presence from Hyundai.

To claim endurance racing is unsuitable for TCR cars or only the domain of VAG cars is plainly false.
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That doesn’t reinforce anything.
Actually it does.

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A Peugeot finished second in the 2019 Spa 500, and the Michelin Pilot Challenge is all endurance races and the TCR class was won by a Honda at the opening round in Daytona, and the class features a strong presence from Hyundai.
So people spend money to upgrade them because the series is "all endurance races"

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To claim endurance racing is unsuitable for TCR cars or only the domain of VAG cars is plainly false.
I never said the racing is unsuitable, but in standard form - with the cost cap as it is, most TCR cars are delivered in a spec that renders them not reliable enough for endurance racing.

Lots of strong but uninformed opinions here - you may wish I know that the things I have learnt come from people who OWN TCR cars.

Europe has enough of a scene where people would spend the money and set these things up for endurance racing and get enough use out of them.

Not so here. So I can't see the economics of a "mini enduro" for TCR cars, or seeing TCR cars in the 6hr or 12hr working.
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Old 18 Apr 2022, 14:43 (Ref:4107155)   #280
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Not so here. So I can't see the economics of a "mini enduro" for TCR cars, or seeing TCR cars in the 6hr or 12hr working.
A Bathurst 1000km race has a certain prestige to it, and the official ARDC title is still available AFAIK. It would attract international entries, cars in so-called "endurance spec", obviously.

Super Tourers weren't even designed for endurance racing at all, yet a lot of them did finish the 1000 kilometres.

Whether the regulations are TCR or NGTC or Super 2000, the point is that famous touring car titles like Macau Cup, the ATCC and the Bathurst 1000 should be the domain of actual touring cars, no?

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Old 18 Apr 2022, 23:19 (Ref:4107207)   #281
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Super Tourers weren't even designed for endurance racing at all, yet a lot of them did finish the 1000 kilometres.
That was always part of the appeal of an enduro, reliability especially from cars not designed to do the task.
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Old 20 Apr 2022, 05:05 (Ref:4107337)   #282
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Whether the regulations are TCR or NGTC or Super 2000, the point is that famous touring car titles like Macau Cup, the ATCC and the Bathurst 1000 should be the domain of actual touring cars, no?
Note that your definition of "Touring car" from the 1950s doesn't have any roots in reality of the most prestigious Touring Car championships in the world.

Language evolves... Move on
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Old 20 Apr 2022, 06:33 (Ref:4107344)   #283
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people still shitty in here, that supercars won the war and have the Bathurst 1000 title.

Can never see TCR running their own 1000, especially as they are now in pretty tight with Supercars.
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Old 22 Apr 2022, 04:49 (Ref:4107553)   #284
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people still shitty in here, that supercars won the war and have the Bathurst 1000 title.

Can never see TCR running their own 1000, especially as they are now in pretty tight with Supercars.
You’re the only one who has mentioned the Bathurst “war” in this thread
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You’re the only one who has mentioned the Bathurst “war” in this thread
It was Kelvin O'Reilly's war and look how that worked out for him.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/04/22...QYymycv1JSWH5E

TCR coming under lights at SMP. Should be really good fun.

Is Tony D TCR's Accumulator?
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Old 22 Apr 2022, 09:16 (Ref:4107572)   #286
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Going to be great to see them using the lights. The Saturday program will be fantastic.

It’s an interesting occurrence D’Alberto’s big championship lead given how much he extended it over the weekend despite never really being up the front. Mixed up results and different winners is what every series strives for in 2022, but it does muddle you the championship picture and the consistent accumulators are the ones who benefit.

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It was Kelvin O'Reilly's war and look how that worked out for him.
While Kelvin certainly had a part to play in super touring vs V8Supercars, his involvement in the Bathurst war was just a bit part.
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Bit quiet in here.

Some news though - it has taken a LONG time and I was openly skeptical it would ever turn a wheel, but the Corolla TCR car has apparently passed it's homologation test:

https://tcraustralia.com/2022/07/08/...O9ZeDsaZl1eVkE
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Old 11 Jul 2022, 19:42 (Ref:4119161)   #288
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Bit quiet in here.

Some news though - it has taken a LONG time and I was openly skeptical it would ever turn a wheel, but the Corolla TCR car has apparently passed it's homologation test ]
Why the skepticism? It's an oficial inhouse TGR project, and TGR Argentina has a long and successful history of making this kind of touring cars.

Currently the rumors talk about 5 cars in construction already, but no word on where they are going.
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Why the skepticism? It's an oficial inhouse TGR project, and TGR Argentina has a long and successful history of making this kind of touring cars.
Because it was announced every year for about 5 years before it turned up.
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Bit quiet in here.

And that’s definitely a worry, the Supercars have a constant news cycle and constant fan engagement about the series. Speed Series/ARG/TCR the fan chat is non existent between events sadly.
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And that’s definitely a worry, the Supercars have a constant news cycle and constant fan engagement about the series. Speed Series/ARG/TCR the fan chat is non existent between events sadly.
Agree 100%. I think if anything the profile/promotion of TCR has been seriously lacking.

IMHO I think they had a good chance of attracting the casual viewer and partially interested motorsport fans like myself.
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I noticed on Stan sports, after watching the 3 sessions of the last Indycar round, when the session ended up popped an advert for the coming TCR round.
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How come no one wants to watch Supercars because it is not on free to air but it fine for TCR to sell out to a Streaming service without a single whimper?
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Agree 100%. I think if anything the profile/promotion of TCR has been seriously lacking.
In a world that already has too many streaming services, Stan just doesn't make the short list.

I love watching TCR around the world because it's on YouTube.

So I guess I'll just watch overseas TCR.
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And that’s definitely a worry, the Supercars have a constant news cycle and constant fan engagement about the series. Speed Series/ARG/TCR the fan chat is non existent between events sadly.
If you are interested in TCR and general SpeedSeries chat, the podcast “Motor Racing Passion” has an episode out now talking about the last two rounds heading into this weekend, and other SpeedSeries chat in general.
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In a world that already has too many streaming services, Stan just doesn't make the short list.

I love watching TCR around the world because it's on YouTube.

So I guess I'll just watch overseas TCR.
Being overseas - that was how I used to watch TCR Australia - until the recent broadcast changes.
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Being overseas - that was how I used to watch TCR Australia - until the recent broadcast changes.
yeah it was on the 7 (cr)app for locals, but no more.

The Stan broadcast is slick but this household has already too many subscriptions, and Netflix didn't even make the cut - Stan is a distant entrant into that market.
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No second Wall Racing Honda this weekend. Are Stan no longer willing to pay for it?
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No second Wall Racing Honda this weekend. Are Stan no longer willing to pay for it?
And no Brad Shiels in the Tilton Hyundai either? Will these two no show’s be back at Sandown?

Not to mention that Mineef stepping into the ex-Macdougall Forza Audi was a net loss as the VW was parked too.

Wouldn’t want it to drop any further than the 18 seen today
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Anywhere to watch race 2? Motorsport.tv haven't made it available, much like Symmons Plains.
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