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An open wheeler series would give a local stage for those fans with local heroes. It has to be fast and loud and preferably a little more spectacular (read out of control) than F1. Limited aero? V8s could provide the initial cross over power but then develop alternative power sources as the Gen3 Supercars are now doing. |
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I think the role model for racing should be horseback riding (esp. show jumping) and sailing. Like racing, both are sports that are based on a means of transport and both managed to survive when that means of transport fell out of mainstream usage by styling themselves as an upscale gentlemen's sport. And just like nobody would think to base America's Cup boat specs on Windjammers or would use anything less than the most specialized breed of horse for show jumping, I don't think racing cars in the future will be influenced by today's family cars. |
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However they wont be open wheelers. Already we are seeing our top categories looking at ways to protect the driver from airbourne objects. and this will include a covering in the future |
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Excellent point, and a potential worry for all open wheelers - what happens if F1 runs a canopy? Do all those below follow? Can't be seen to be "unsafe"
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A good thing, however it reduces the purity and pushes us to make changes for safety purposes which result more in purpose built race cars and less in production based vehicles. while increasing costs |
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I imagine that open wheel cars are going to look more along the lines of current FE cars with added canopies as they move to cover off attenuation of various risks. You're right Pecky that we've seen it in touring cars - sit a current VASC car next to a Group C or even some Group A cars and the current car is much more advanced in bar work etc - but then it should be given the march of time. I suspect that the days of pure open wheel cars as we know them are limited - not saying that it'll all be over tomorrow but I can see there being less visual differences between open wheel and LMP1 type cars in the years ahead. |
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Correct me if I am wrong here - but open wheel descriptor refers to the wheels being outside the body work and not covered rather than reference to the cockpit no?
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Of course, not all open cars are open-wheeled as a lot of sports and clubmans categories have bodywork which encloses the wheels but not the cockpit. More confusingly, Indycars are referred to as open-wheeled but with all the gaps between them being closed they're only marginally so. It is a fair point that the days of what we think of as a pure racing car are probably numbered. If F1 goes to covered cockpits as a safety issue the lawyers would have a field day with other modern categories that don't should an accident occur. They'll have no choice but to follow suit soon after. |
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Seriously, when do we just accept that there are risks in life? Canopies/halo's are PC crap. Motor racing is dangerous, it says so on my entry ticket, harden up motorsport.
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I don't altogether agree that halos, etc are necessary.
The incidents where the likes of Bianchi, Surtees Jr, and others, had lost their lives, not to mention Fillipe Massa's own missfortune, are still fairly remote. These types of incidents, on a global scale, are perhaps not even stat-worthy (depending on your agenda). Some might say one is too many, however many will say that given the frequency of races, the competitor numbers, and other factors, they could be within a perceived acceptable tolerence. |
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No one wants to take there kids or their missus to a motor race and watch someone die. the caveman like approach is no more |
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I feel for future generations, I wonder will they actually step outside their front door?
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Same thing is happening in the workplace. The safety laws regarding transport are higher on site at my work, than when i travel home |
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Great, we should enforce speed limits in racing, that'll definitely save lives.
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But what if it's a competition FCY?
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How long do we give karting in the future? No way of putting any canopy or halo on them
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I should add some have implemented the rules more successfully than others, some notable complaints that so and so didn't slow soon enough, etc.
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cant give you an answer on that, guess its considered low risk, im sure in time we will see changes
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