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14 Oct 2014, 20:27 (Ref:3465057) | #226 | |
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Its baffling the drivers are not familiar enough with the car to know where the kill switch is without searching for it. Or have difficulties finding the door latch.
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I agree, but if you look at the first video on the piece I posted yesterday, the full scale fire in the cockpit, could you honestly tell me that in those circumstances you's expect anyone to be cool, calm and rational?
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Having just watched the video of the fire, how on earth could this circuit retain it's classification in the top class. the response to a serious fire in the pit lane was laughable and an absolute disgrace, The rebellion mechanics response was commendable but those that should have been there were either lacking in training or the circuit was not providing the level of safety it should.
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I dont think he shouldve been calm or cool! Hey, I know the feeling because Ive been in a fire myself when I was young. Then my next door neighbors house caught fire when I was 14. In fact just this weekend an apartment caught fire in the community I live in. Its just a precaution to know how to exit and where to exit. Im not blaming the driver but the team's preparations on a situation where a driver needs to escape from the car couldve been a bit better. If he couldnt find the switch it must have been a very sudden event.
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16 Oct 2014, 17:21 (Ref:3465686) | #232 | ||
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Regarding the reaction time of anyone with a fire extinguisher, my thought while watching it go up was what if Christophe had been unable to get out of the car. We could be having a very different discussion.
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16 Oct 2014, 17:30 (Ref:3465689) | #233 | |
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This has happened a number of times in the past season (not all in WEC): drivers getting out of cars, which burn down while safety crews are en route.
I hope someone somewhere in a position of power is as alarmed by this as we all should be because I really don't want us Ever to have that other conversation. |
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16 Oct 2014, 17:45 (Ref:3465698) | #234 | |
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That CLM fire was a very serious incident. A driver in a burning car is always serious, but this time the fire was INSIDE the cockpit. Is it already known what caused the fire, and how it got inside the cockpit? Also, is it a problem specific to the CLM, or could it theoretically happen to any closed LMP?
Fortunately, Bouchut was uninjured, so there is the chance to deal with the problems before someone is seriously hurt. There is a worrying tendency in motorsport to ignore these near misses, and only react when it is too late. |
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16 Oct 2014, 18:54 (Ref:3465713) | #235 | |
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the second chassis is on the way to shanghai. but the components must completly rebuild. Christophe Bouchut has endet his season after the fire in Fuji, he thinks its enough for this year. Pierre Kaffer will start to the last 3 races. |
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Thanks, I hope they can get the car put together and make the grid.
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16 Oct 2014, 21:10 (Ref:3465736) | #239 | |
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I thought there was a firewall in these cars as well!?
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16 Oct 2014, 21:17 (Ref:3465742) | #240 | |
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As far as safety has come recently in collision protection, I think the focus needs to shift to fire protection. We have been lucky too often for me to be comfortable. Regardless of what did or didn't work int eh Lotus fire, what Didn't work was the driver having to extricate himself and no one getting there for several seconds.
Should a driver be too injured to get out ... well I don't need to think about that any more ... but Someone does. |
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I was wondering why any part of the fuel system would be on the driver's side of the firewall. The technical regs require that the fuel flow meters are located in the survival cell, for scrutineering and in case they need to be replaced. So there must be openings in the rear of the cell to allow the plumbing in and out. Could this be where the fire entered the cockpit?
This incident highlights the saftey trade off between open cars and coupes. In a crash: A coupe will probably protect you better, but it is probably easier to get out of an open car. The driver is required to be able to exit the car on the driver's side within 7 seconds, and the passenger's side within 9 seconds (in LMP1). Visibility: much better in an open car with no pillars or smeared windscreen, although recent changes have improved this a bit. Heat: Worse in a coupe, although compulsory air con keeps it down somewhat. Max 32C if ambient temp is 25C or less, no more than ambient +7C if ambient is above 25C. |
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Looks like Lotus is going to China early to prepare the car
http://twitter.com/FIAWEC/status/524024432222674946 |
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So is it called a Lotus or a CLM?
Looks like everyone is confused at the moment. |
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When using Google, I find the use of the "CLM" name in mid September (likely earlier as well). So I don't think it is a new name. Even the tweet mentioned above, includes the both "Lotus" and "CLM", but just not next to each other. So I don't think anything is different. But I agree that the car has been referred by many names...
Lotus T129 Lotus P1/01 Lotus CLM P1/01 CLM P1/01 RCE has a photo of the chassis plate and it says "Lotus P1/01" CLM is just the name of legal entity behind it all? I know there is speculation as to what CLM means. I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread (?) about the similarity between CLM (C??? Le Mans?) and CF1 (C? Formula One?) with both involving Colin Kolles. Does the "C" mean "Caterham", "Colin" or something else? Richard |
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20 Oct 2014, 22:47 (Ref:3466943) | #247 | |
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I had that thought too. C-Colin LM-Le Mans P1-lmp1 01-chassis number?
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21 Oct 2014, 22:41 (Ref:3467212) | #249 | |
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The new chassis will arrive on friday in shanghai, where the mechanics start to rebuild the car.
Bouchut ist unpopular in the team after the last race. He has not activated the fire extinguisher in the car. Drivers: Shanghai: - Pierre Kaffer - James Rossiter - Lucas Auer Bahrain: - Christijan Albers - Pierre Kaffer - Simon Trummer Interlagos: - Thomas Holzer - TBA - TBA |
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