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Red/Gold Escort - Tony Sugden's Brookhire carwith 2.0 litre BDA White Cortina - Peter Shelton's car with 4.7 Ford V8 Capri No.65 - Bill Cox with 7.6 Chevvy V8 Capri No.4 Red Rover could be Dennis Nott or Tony Strawson - both had big V8 Chevvies. Car No.2 -Mick Hill's Boss Capri 68 - This could be the Skoda driven by John Turner who previously raced a BRM engined Escort. 18 - This could be the Sunbeam Rapier 5 litre GV8 driven by Martin Kent 10 - Could be John Pope's John Pope Special 163 - Gerry's Big Bertha, of course. 1 - Tony Hazlewood's DAF, prior to Alan Minshaw ownership. The light blue Escort towards the back in the middle could be Doug Niven's Boss Escort. Chevvy Corvair - Ian Richardson with rear mounted 8 litre Chevvy V8. This car was virtually a Lola T70. It was later owned by Gerry marshall who reckoned it was the only car capable of beating Baby Bertha. It was offered for sale by Gerry in 1977, I think, and Chris and I went to see it at a farm in Bedfordshire or Hertfordshire after meeting Gerry in a local pub. He drove us there in his road car - what a ride! The Corvair was fired up and Chris drove it round the farm road for a few minutes - fantastic - but it overheated before I could drive - sh.t! In the end we didn't buy it as we couldn't raise the asking price and it was later owned by an american car importer from Leicester, I believe. It's probably been turned back in to a Lola T70 by now. The Escort Chris and I had now resides in Ireland where it is advertised as a 'Broadspeed' Escort. This is only partly true as it was a brand new Broadspeed prepared shell they kept as a Group 5 racing spare and we purchased it from Broadspeed in 1975/6 when they closed down. Most of the suspension was works Ford racing spec - compression strut front (I still have some beautiful adjustable tca's), watts linkage rear. We had a Jack Knight 5 speed box and the 1800cc BDA and it was just ready for the 1975 British Grand Prix support race at Silverstone in the middle of July. However we only completed four laps in the race before it overheated. Peter Wray |
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I was speaking to Walter Robertson at the last race meeting, he told me that his DFVVW had been made back to the original car, from memory I think he said it was the Duckhams Group 6 car and the Skoda that he had was made back into the "Chocolate Drop" which it was underneath anyway.
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Walter told me it was the Duckhams car designed by Gordon Murray.
Weren't there 2 anyway? The Duckhams car became the ADA, but the ADA "Morris Minor" became the 1st Ecosse. Which was destroyed in 84. Last edited by rcarr; 20 Apr 2007 at 18:51. |
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the DFVW was definarely a DeCadenet
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Oh well! Walter must be wrong, considering he owned and raced it for a while!
Most de Cadenets are Lolas anyway! Or based on them at least! The original de Cadenets were based around the a Lola chassis. |
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DFVW car is now in france restored as Duckhams car it was not really a De cadanet
B26 Chevron Chocolate drop is racing actively last seen at Retro show on a stand Beetle is now a pile of parts the suspension was Trojan F5000 and taken off to rebuild a car the remains are with someone who i cannot recall at present Mick Hills BMW M1 car was lolaT400 based car its now rebuilt as F5000 car in NZ De cadanet cars Please see chassis archive on history thread u will get the full story there so i will not repeat that story here except Duckhams car was not made into ADA morris minor ! Richard simms skoda GAA was march 74S DFV car now racing today again as march 74s with DFV Buncombes super chimp was B19 or 21 car now 2 litre car racing again in Orwell |
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The cover of the CCC mag IMHO shows:
Front row John Turner 5L Skoda Mick Hill Capri 6.0 Secod Row I Richardson Corvair Big Bertha Daf T Hazlewood Third Row dennis Knott Capri Chev ??? John Pope Aston Martin magnum T Strawson Capri ex M Hill Fourth Row ??? Geoff Wood lowline Escort Martin Kent Sunbeam Rapier (rebodied Gordon Keeble) Not convinced Doug nven is at the back but stand to be corrected. Wasn't the Corvair based on a Mclaren M8 rater than a Lola T70?? |
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The cover of the CCC mag IMHO shows:
Front row John Turner 5L then arther collier had the car?Skoda Mick Hill Capri 6.0 Secod Row I Richardson Corvair Big Bertha Daf T HazlewoodI dont think tony had corbeau sponsorship that was colin Foly`s company tony had westwood mowers ( his brothers firm) on the car then DT minsha ran the car for a few years Third Row dennis Knott Capri Chev ??? John Pope Aston Martin magnum T Strawson Capri ex M Hill Fourth Row ??? Geoff Wood lowline Escort Martin Kent Sunbeam Rapier (rebodied Gordon Keeble) Not convinced Doug nven is at the back but stand to be corrected. Wasn't the Corvair based on a Mclaren M8 rater than a Lola T70?? |
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Can't quite make out where the shot was taken and if it was just before a Super Saloon race. Could be wrong (again) but it doesn't look like Geoff Wood's Escort. Wasn't he from Skegness or Cleethorpes area? |
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Corvair was last owned by martin ?? linked to DB motors in nottingham area
i recall it being for sale early to mid 80`s maybe ran once twice in Donington GT races back then I think Tony strawson ran it a few times as well The DAF has been rebuilt by tony hazelwood in his factory not Lynx they may have done the rolling road part Tony had Ian Richardson ( corvair owner) do his engine rebuild for the DAF |
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Corvair was last owned by martin ?? linked to DB motors in nottingham area
i recall it being for sale early to mid 80`s maybe ran once twice in Donington GT races back then I think Tony strawson ran it a few times as well The DAF has been rebuilt by tony hazelwood in his factory not Lynx they may have done the rolling road part Tony had Ian Richardson ( corvair owner) do his engine rebuild for the DAF |
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I recall this Corvair style was a notoriously bad handling road car does make u wonder why u would take a sows ear and try to make a silk purse from it
OK they fitted Formula suspension to the car to make it a "better" car Would be interesting to hear why Ian went with this car when say a Mustang worked well or Ford escort Capri would have been a better proposition |
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Yes i appreciate the concept of using Corvair rear engined car as rules where plus minus 1 inch on wheel base silohouette shape car etc engine gbox in same position as road car hence DAF 33 Imps skodas as special saloons
but the Corvair was not a popular car with this bad reputation attached it does seem a clutching at straws decision when say a big engined Capri or Mustang with Lola /mclaren corners could have been a better concept to work with Corvair was a large heavey shell as well Look at Tony Hazelwoods Jag xj6/12 car he said it would not stop even with the F5000 corners and brakes fitted!! OK we are now better informed about shells roll cage postions strengths plus suspension geometry dynamics areodynamics tyres These guys where Pioneers and we cant take that away from them !! |
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The Corvair may have been steel shelled with some fibregalss panels but underneath it was a Can Am Mclaren, Thes cars quite cheep at the time and with no category to compete in.
There was a book published about the Corvair as a road car entitled "unsafe at any speed" They had a tendancy to turn over at the sight of any corner. Cornering of course something the Americans never thought to develop in their road cars. The CCC cover photo was taken on the Hanger straight and was staged for the magazine article. How I wish my dear mother had not thrown it out! |
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Right Al but they did make some really dangerous cars and if you read Unsafe at any speed its painfully obvious that they needed to sort it out. dont forget that was in the late fifties/early sixties when Corvairs fell over at the slightest turn.Bit like those little Merc people carrier things did just a few years back.........
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Corvair
If anyone is interested I have 1 or 2 photos of the Corvair when Dad owned it; was a very dark blue colour, not a navy, a bit more green maybe, probably what I would say was a Tyrrell blue. Bad description I know!!
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