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Will a carnet really be needed if the race car in the trailer is actually road registered, taxed and insured?
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There is a lot of chat about this on various race/ rally related forums and fb sites in the last few hours and the consensus of opinion so far seems to be, yes. Although CSCC have suggested that they are trying to work on a compromise with their Belgian colleagues for cars with a V5, but no guarantees. Seems to me, however, that “compromises” will need to be worked out at MUK-Govt level rather than individual car club level.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nd-cpd-carnets This one seems to say that carnets will not be needed for registered cars through most of Europe . |
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That was how it was explained to me many years ago by C&E when I was doing events over Europe using Carnets . AS far as I can make out , that still applies & even if it is on a trailer , does not need a Carnet . And the Trailer does not need to be registered if it is private use . |
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11 Jan 2021, 16:24 (Ref:4028192) | #2508 | ||
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Just a question that's been posed elsewhere, if I were doing this commercially would I need a work permit of some kind?
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11 Jan 2021, 16:29 (Ref:4028194) | #2509 | ||
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It may depend on where you are being paid. Worth checking.
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11 Jan 2021, 18:21 (Ref:4028207) | #2510 | ||
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Max, I think Peter is right, the place your invoice will be issued does matter. I found this for you: "Un commerçant ou un artisan étranger (non ressortissant européen), qui souhaite venir exercer son activité en France, doit d'abord obtenir un visa de long séjour pour entrer en France, puis demander une carte de séjour temporaire autorisant l'exercice d'une activité professionnelle."
I know your french is good but either John or I can help with translation. Genuine question: are you considered as an EU citizen, now? My understanding is that if you intend to work in France but invoice form the UK, no change. Now if you're looking for a job or want to open a shop here, different story. Hope I'm clear but not sure. |
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"The Port of Dover and Eurotunnel cannot process ATA Carnets, so find out where to go when moving goods with an ATA Carnet". ATA Carnets will usually be processed at the port. However, from 1 January 2021, if you’re moving goods with an ATA Carnet through the Port of Dover or Eurotunnel, you will need to go to a government inland border facility to process your ATA Carnet. from gov.uk https://www.gov.uk/guidance/moving-g...-an-ata-carnet |
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So it looks like you might have to have an ATA & get it signed out at Ashford , [ or one of the other places shown on your link] . |
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Thanks Gerard, I got that.
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The view of someone who has seen & stamped many a carnet over the years.
I'm sure we've been over this before, but in general the CPD carnet is intended for use by people travelling with their own personal (road) vehicle for pleasure. The ATA carnet is for goods being used for exhibition, show, testing, etc. As such, any race car either on a trailer or being driven to be used at a race meeting would be considered as being shown or exhibited and should be covered by an ATA carnet. |
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This is starting to sound like a right nightmare. I've an allergy to paperwork, is it as onerous as it sounds? Plus the nominal fee sounds somewhat more than nominal.
I've also been reading the reports about a trucker's picnic being confiscated at the Dutch border How would I manage without my tinnies of old and filthy, I couldn't possibly drink Eurofizz stuff. Sent from my AC2003 using Tapatalk |
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Many thanks for your most helpful input on this. Seems I'll be reviving old skills from my first job in shipping in 1960's and looking for a change of ASN. Small price to pay for 'taking back control'. |
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But prepare yourself to an increase in costs and time spent. |
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More on the joys of the UK having decided to split from the EU. Drivers are having sandwiches, etc, taken from them at the Dutch border when they arrive from the UK if they contain any dairy or meat product, i.e. butter, cheese or meat.
See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55622331 |
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Mike, not really new I'm afraid. I had to negotiate a "rôti de porc" when crossing the Swiss border, driving from Enna to Spa, its was in '75 or '76…*I saved my future lunch because I declared that the piece of meat in question was not raw, but cooked! OK, a french pork crossing the Swiss border is no new story either!
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My remark 'small price to pay' was very much tongue in cheek. I never believed in the Brexit dream, the consequences of which are the clubman driver attending the Spa Summer Classic will find his costs increased by the equivalent of the race entry fee. Plus, now he can't even bring his own sandwiches!!.
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Whether this is a jobsworth or an official policy matters not - it didn't used to happen and now the framework is in place for it. It would appear Europe has spent the last four years getting their infrastructure, IT systems and procedures ready where as we haven't. |
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