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Give it ten months and see what happens.
Things will work out it’s just that certain stuff and people will be a pain until then. The Norway/Sweden boarder is not a problem and nor is Switzerland/Germany,Italy,France,Austria,Lichtenstein boarder! |
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I agree, although the carnet thing, not unexpected, does appear to be excessively costly. I wonder if organisers such as PA, Roadbook etc. Might lobby the Customs to reduce costs for amateurs. Just think of the impact on the 6hrs.
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One bit of the latest MSUK announcement caught my eye. The carnets are issued at a 'special price' of 'only' £240 by the Birmingham Chamber of Commerce. Then it says you fill in all the information online and the CoC print it, authorise it and post it out the following day. So what exactly are they doing for their fee? Providing some stationery and stamping it?
I'd still like to know on what basis MSUK think a carnet is required for non-professionals - all they say is 'Following advice, Motorsport UK understands that an ATA Carnet will be required to temporarily move motorsport vehicles and equipment across the border.' All very vague and non-specific, sounding exactly like more Project Fear. Advice from whom? And what question was asked? The guidance by the Birmingham CoC expert document states : (link: https://www.greaterbirminghamchamber...e-jan-2021.pdf) There are three separate conventions that we can issue carnets for these are as follows: •A) Commercial Samples–When goods are going out of the UK to be shown to potential customers to generate sales. •B) International Trade Fairs/show/Exhibitions–When goods are going out for the purpose of being exhibited in a trade show. This can include the items themselves as well as exhibition stands •C) Professional Equipment–When goods are going out for the purpose of fulfilling their function for such things as dry weather testing, road testing etc; none of which sound anything like an amateur taking sports equipment on holiday. What we do is not that different from taking a tennis racquet and some spare balls abroad, or a rucksack full of climbing equipment for personal use. |
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The costs are not set by Customs Peter - it's the cartel of Chambers of Commerce setting the fees for issuing and authorising the carnets, and providing the insurance bond against failure to re-export from the destination country. IF a carnet is indeed required - and I fail to be convinced on the evidence from MSUK so far - then there should be nothing to stop an individual creating the forms from templates and having them stamped up by their local CoC for a small fee, 25 quid would seem reasonable for 5 minutes work. On the same basis, as Aviva have the insurance bond scheme in place then the individual should be able to deal with them directly for the cover.
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As to the sandwich thing, someone just likened it to fining people for walking with a cup of coffee. Over zealous was the phrase used. |
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That said I read this morning that hauliers are increasing their rates from €1.5 to €10 per KM due to border uncertainty. That won't last because sure as eggs is eggs someone will undercut them. |
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Answer is to race road registered vehicles!
No carnet Reason for us playing with those Pre War things |
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Is it hauliers or forwarders?
Forwarders have never been known to miss a trick to maximise the margins All you need is a lap top, telephone and fancy suit and your away! |
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https://www.gov.uk/taking-goods-out-uk-temporarily Click on [If you do not use a carnet]. It appears you can use a " Duplicate List ", instead of having to pay for a carnet . Not very obvious how it is done , probably because they would rather have everybody paying , but this is well worth checking out if you only go abroad a few times . |
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https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021 No meat or dairy products to cross borders . |
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There are also more empty vehicle movements going on at the moment - into Northern Ireland in particular. Empty vehicles going to NI and returning loaded (it's easier to get stuff out of NI than in). That's going to be pushing up costs as well (although again - if the process into NI gets sorted that should reduce). |
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You may read this, registered motor sport vehicles, private or commercial, it applies.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-fo...net-will-cover |
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Tel, even if in the rules and it is the same the world over, a sandwich for personal consumption is not really in the spirit of importing meat and dairy products. I remember arriving in Russia from Kazakhstan and the customs bloke asked me if I had any "dead animals" with me. Another challenge used to be smuggling pork products past customs when arriving in Doha from the UAE. |
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Next question, do we need a carnet for the tow car or indeed any car we want to use touring Europe? |
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>>>>>>>I'd still like to know on what basis MSUK think a carnet is required for non-professionals - all they say is 'Following advice, Motorsport UK understands that an ATA Carnet will be required to temporarily move motorsport vehicles and equipment across the border.' Because the MSUK can't think beyond commercial race teams, privateers racing for fun don't cross their minds. We see it all the time in karting. |
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Cars do not need an ATA , but as in Duddha,s link , they will need a CPD for some countries which are not in Europe . And the ATA for spares etc is not needed if you go by this link https://www.gov.uk/taking-goods-out-uk-temporarily which means you can do it by "Duplicate List ". But it seems that most of the information put out will be to try to make people pay for things which are not actually needed. |
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'You mainly need a CPD in: Africa Asia the Middle East Oceania (the Pacific) South America' Not Europe? |
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The whole point about carnets of both types is to avoid paying import duty on goods for temporary import and then re-export.
However as the deal we signed with EU is duty-free and quota-free, where is the need? Anyone? |
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Best address that question to Mr B Johnson, Downing St or Ms U Van der Layan, Brussels
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If my car has a V5C then I can "take" it through the port without a Carnet if I am driving. My question is simple, why would this import duty position change if I were to be towing it instead? Our race cars are a small part. The same must apply to rally cars. But it would also apply to Smart cars on Motorhomes and moped/scooters on motorhomes that have nothing to do with racing. I e-called HMRC and had a discussion with them. They pointed me to CARS Europe. I said that I wanted a definitive decision from HMRC, CARS are a commercial organisation with a vested interest. The kind lady sent me a form which I have sent off. I went through Switzerland to Monza with a single seater a few years ago (car has a V5C). I enquired beofre I went and was assured it was OK. I did the red lane and stopped etc at the border. The guards were fine once they saw the V5C I dont think yesterdays communication from MSUK was sufficiently well researched and it didnt really appreciate the position of the average club guy who manages to squeeze a trip to Spa once a year |
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Since when has enforcing the law or rules become over zealous? Have you ever tried to take a piece of fruit that you got on an aircraft but haven't yet consumed through the immigration area when you arrive in somewhere like Australia. They would have it off you immediately, and possibly fine you as well! They are just enforcing the rules, just like we now have to because Nigel Farage wanted to leave the EU, and Cameron at al wouldn't face him down. |
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Whatever. I suggest you read all of my post instead of picking up one word and trying to manipulate it. I also said it is pretty normal all over the world, even gave you examples.
As to Brexit many of us voted for it so get over it. |
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