ALMS 2011 Discussion - Page 102

Canada ALMS fan · 30 Aug 2011, 21:41 (Ref:2948599)

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Originally Posted by AGD

Dagys retweeted something saying that Lotus may not make Petit. That would be good news for the Challenge classes.

And bad news for us fans...

Fogelhund · 30 Aug 2011, 23:17 (Ref:2948638)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

IMSA saw this coming from miles away

I'm not sure what you mean by miles away, but it certainly isn't what they foresaw and told everyone earlier this calendar year.

Coach Ep · 31 Aug 2011, 07:48 (Ref:2948720)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

I'm not sure what you mean by miles away, but it certainly isn't what they foresaw and told everyone earlier this calendar year.

Ever since Sebring. And for those who were dealing with entries even before that: as soon as ILMC entrylist was established. IMSA could (and would imo) have come up with a bulletin way before they did now. Then teams would have known and would have had time to react.

Fogelhund · 31 Aug 2011, 12:20 (Ref:2948825)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Ever since Sebring. And for those who were dealing with entries even before that: as soon as ILMC entrylist was established. IMSA could (and would imo) have come up with a bulletin way before they did now. Then teams would have known and would have had time to react.

But didn't....

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...portscars-225/

Scott Elkins interviewed, stating 60 cars wouldn't be an issue at PLM, earlier this year. It wasn't until after FIA got involved, post the WEC announcements that these changes were required.

Deleted · 31 Aug 2011, 13:39 (Ref:2948863)

Last year's supplementary regulations for PLM said that the maximum number of cars admitted was 50 (art 3-12), so realistically, what were the chances of increasing that number by 10 this year? This was always going to happen...

Fogelhund · 31 Aug 2011, 13:48 (Ref:2948865)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Last year's supplementary regulations for PLM said that the maximum number of cars admitted was 50 (art 3-12), so realistically, what were the chances of increasing that number by 10 this year? This was always going to happen...

So Scott Elkins has no idea what he was talking about is what you are saying? They set the numbers as they wished, until the FIA got involved, t is how these things work. This wouldn't have happened, had the FIA not got involved with the WEC.

The number 53 is curious though, as it seems as though the actual FIA legal number is somewhat less, based on their own formula. I think it is 46/47. It seems as though 53 is the midpoint between the actual legal number, and what IMSA wanted. Coincidence? Will the FIA require them to run at the actual legal number next year?

**joeb** · 31 Aug 2011, 14:46 (Ref:2948890)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

So Scott Elkins has no idea what he was talking about is what you are saying? They set the numbers as they wished, until the FIA got involved, t is how these things work. This wouldn't have happened, had the FIA not got involved with the WEC.

The number 53 is curious though, as it seems as though the actual FIA legal number is somewhat less, based on their own formula. I think it is 46/47. It seems as though 53 is the midpoint between the actual legal number, and what IMSA wanted. Coincidence? Will the FIA require them to run at the actual legal number next year?

So it seems that the rules can be applied with some discretion, how convenient. Next years Petit maximum numbers I'm sure will be adjusted depending on whether or not WEC attends the event.

Purist · 31 Aug 2011, 15:18 (Ref:2948906)

Well, the FIA circuit regulations (in Appendix O) are specifically for new tracks seeking FIA licensure. Therefore, if your track is pre-existing, and has demonstrated the capacity to host events with X number of cars for whichever category, then some slack can be given based on this proven record.

**joeb** · 31 Aug 2011, 18:56 (Ref:2948991)

Atherton was at the National Press Club talking about green racing and had an interesting quote:

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"We are not yet finished in developing Green Racing,” Atherton continued. “In order to remain the Global Leader of Green Racing, the American Le Mans Series will keep moving forward. We expect to soon have manufacturers and teams competing with new alternative fuels, both bio-based and Compressed Natural Gas."

The quote didn't appear on the ALMS site article, but instead on Auto Extremist article. Any ideas on the CNG car?

davehenrie · 31 Aug 2011, 18:59 (Ref:2948993)

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Originally Posted by Purist

Well, the FIA circuit regulations (in Appendix O) are specifically for new tracks seeking FIA licensure. Therefore, if your track is pre-existing, and has demonstrated the capacity to host events with X number of cars for whichever category, then some slack can be given based on this proven record.

I know they are not the same, either in rules or cars, but the Grand Am series hosts around 90 cars at the Rolex 24hr, or rather has hosted that many. Proto cars would share pit stalls with a GT car(or teams would be assigned the upper pit lane) ((Wouldn't Scott Sharp find that challenging to have cars exiting pit lanes on both sides.))

dh

Speed-King · 31 Aug 2011, 19:05 (Ref:2948998)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Atherton was at the National Press Club talking about green racing and had an interesting quote:

The quote didn't appear on the ALMS site article, but instead on Auto Extremist article. Any ideas on the CNG car?

If I had to guess about the CNG, I'd say Ford powered LMP2... the Moutune 2l-mill is pretty close to the engine they produced for Aon-Racing in BTCC, which ran with LPG in 2010, so this should be an easy adoption.

That said, CNG isn't really that revolutionary, there are cars that have been running it or LPG even in Amateur series like VLN, ADAC Procar (touring cars) or SCC (CN Prototypes) for years.

Coach Ep · 31 Aug 2011, 19:09 (Ref:2949003)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

So Scott Elkins has no idea what he was talking about is what you are saying? They set the numbers as they wished, until the FIA got involved, t is how these things work. This wouldn't have happened, had the FIA not got involved with the WEC.

The number 53 is curious though, as it seems as though the actual FIA legal number is somewhat less, based on their own formula. I think it is 46/47. It seems as though 53 is the midpoint between the actual legal number, and what IMSA wanted. Coincidence? Will the FIA require them to run at the actual legal number next year?

Not quite, he was quoted in that same article

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The real concern, though, comes with the Petit Le Mans, the second and final American ILMC round, where over 60 cars are expected. While the current circuit regulations have a 50-car limit, Elkins said they could likely pack between 55-60 on the 2.54-mile circuit. The question comes with what to do if it indeed goes over 60?

But this really doesn´t mather, point is IMSA knew long time ago that the entry for the Petit was going to be oversubscribed, so why have they waited so long to bring the ´bad-news-message´ to the challenge teams?

Let´s remember that the proto challenge class was also created to give new (proto) teams the opportunity to sniff at the big P class(es). Up till now it worked (to a certain degree), look at Level 5 and, this year Core. What if a championship contender drops out and their sponsor says goodbye? No way is that team ever gonna promote to the P1/2/combined category...

Btw: last year´s Petit had 45 entries and 41 starters. Not even close to this year!

WMUCarGuy · 31 Aug 2011, 23:40 (Ref:2949144)

John Dagys said that 45 of the 53 cars are 'full time entries' and the other 8 will be challenge class cars. Here's what I've come up with

LMP1 - 12
Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18
Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18
Peugeot Sport Peugeot 908
Peugeot Sport Peugeot 908
Team Oreca Matmut Peugeot 908 HDI FAP
Aston Martin Racing Lola Aston Martin
AMR Team Muscle Milke Lola Aston Martin
Dyson Racing Lola Mazda
Dyson Racing/Oryx Lola Mazda
Autocon Motorsports Lola AER
Rebellion Racing Lola Toyota
Oak Racing Pescarolo Judd

LMP2 - 5
Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX-01g
Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX-01g
Signatech Racing Oreca Nissan
Oak Racing Pescarolo Judd
Oak/DAMS/United Autosports Pescarolo Judd

GTE (Pro & Am) - 26
Corvette Racing Corvette C6.R
Corvette Racing Corvette C6.R
BMW Motorsport/Team RLL BMW M3
BMW Motorsport/Team RLL BMW M3
Risi Competizione Ferrari 458
Team Falken Tire Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
Paul Miller Racing Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
Extreme Speed Motorsports Ferrari 458
Extreme Speed Motorsports Ferrari 458
AF Corse Ferrari 458
AF Corse Ferrari 430
RSR Jaguar XKR
RSR Jaguar XKR
Robertson Racing Ford GT
Robertson Racing Ford GT
Luxury Racing Ferrari 458
Luxury Racing Ferrari 458
JetAlliance Racing Lotus Evora
JetAlliance Racing Lotus Evora
Felbermayr Proton Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
Larbre Competition Corvette C6.R
CRS Racing Ferrari 430
Krohn Racing Ferrari 430
Gulf AMR Middle East Aston Martin Vantage GT2

That makes 43 of the 45 there. Has anything on my list been confirmed as not running, and what else am I missing?

WMUCarGuy · 31 Aug 2011, 23:56 (Ref:2949150)

Down to 43 as JOTA wasn't an ILMC entrant.

Canada ALMS fan · 1 Sep 2011, 00:04 (Ref:2949154)

2 OAKS in P1 also, not 1.

davehenrie · 1 Sep 2011, 01:57 (Ref:2949190)

Half the P1 field are Lolas.

Purist · 1 Sep 2011, 02:14 (Ref:2949192)

Well, Zytek/Creation are at least as out-dated as the Pescarolo (perhaps moreso). And Dallara hasn't built an LMP1 since, what, 2002? The only fairly current LMP1 chassis builder, for customers, is Oreca (Courage).

There have to be other options in order to actually buy/run something else.

davehenrie · 1 Sep 2011, 02:30 (Ref:2949196)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Let´s remember that the proto challenge class was also created to give new (proto) teams the opportunity to sniff at the big P class(es).

Was it really created to give a ladder to smaller teams? Or was it created to fill up the TV screen?

dh

AGD · 1 Sep 2011, 03:12 (Ref:2949205)

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Originally Posted by davehenrie

Was it really created to give a ladder to smaller teams? Or was it created to fill up the TV screen?

dh

They were created to fill the grids, but there was optimism that teams would use the C classes to leap to real classes. There is some reason to think that things are turning out as hoped at least a little bit, but many of the real prototype teams have left or shut their doors.

Fogelhund · 1 Sep 2011, 16:35 (Ref:2949492)

The Challenge classes were created for a couple of reasons.

1. To fill up the grids a) to meet contractual demands with tracks for sanction fees.
2. Because Panoz Inc. gets revenue selling cars/parts, royalties etc.

HJJ · 2 Sep 2011, 02:45 (Ref:2949725)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

The Challenge classes were created for a couple of reasons.
2. Because Panoz Inc. gets revenue selling cars/parts, royalties etc.

Not really. Haas has the parts buisness. They make a little. Not as much a you may think.

chernaudi · 4 Sep 2011, 18:58 (Ref:2950799)

John Dagys has Tweeted that Speed has a major announcment tomorrow about the WEC or the ALMS, perhaps the WEC 2012 schedule and wether or not PLM is on for '12. We'll have to wait and see, but it likely regards the WEC schedule or an NA TV deal, or some major change for the ALMS in 2012.

Duncan Dayton will also be on Wind Tunnel tonight, so that may also have something to do with it if it's an ALMS angle.

tlongman · 5 Sep 2011, 02:28 (Ref:2950933)

I have no idea what he's hinting out, but he never said its about ALMS or WEC. It could always be about Grand Am. Fingers crossed for ALMS or WEC.

FordCosworthPanoz · 5 Sep 2011, 14:03 (Ref:2951197)

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Originally Posted by tlongman

I have no idea what he's hinting out, but he never said its about ALMS or WEC. It could always be about Grand Am. Fingers crossed for ALMS or WEC.

Well, it was about the ALMS, just that it is an ALMS team (Muscle Milk) doing to Rolex 24 and possibly other Rolex Sports Car Series race in a Riley, probably the new DP G3 chassis it has been rumoured they just ordered

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...olex-24-entry/

Simmi · 5 Sep 2011, 14:53 (Ref:2951228)

From monitoring twitter conversations it would appear that Marino Franchitti will be racing at PLM. Interesting stuff. Any guesses who for?

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