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That is why I wonder if the coupe version throws this delicate equation out of balance? Everything seemed to be working and then a roof was added. It is too early to cast judgement on success or failure but just wondering.
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15 Nov 2013, 02:05 (Ref:3331579) | #2553 | |
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nissan's plan looks like is test in G56 & ACO will open a door for them in P1, just like Deltawing Racing Car in ALMS.
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Teslar Roadster did 0-100 faster then 2007 GTR, but y it can't get 300km/h but GTR did? because u need lots of power to push the air out event how light u are.U can't just take a light car to win the heavy monster machine because u have no power to fright drag with tradition shape. Deltawing can provide low drag to let low power light car go high speed |
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The basic concept to get the weight down was to throw away more than 1/4 of the car. I would love to see a very fuel-limited experimental class where somebody could show up with a rectangular car to try to beat the DW. Maybe they would. There SHOULD be a war of ideas about how to go fast with fewer resources. It's a battle that could provide some very useful information. |
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16 Nov 2013, 10:02 (Ref:3332088) | #2556 | |
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Im sure lots of teams could make a sub 675kg car (they did a decade ago) and go just as fast with a small light engine.
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In seriousness though, if we add the performance of a Stohr DSR car (~200bhp, 450kg incl driver) to my VIR chart, you can see that it is only slightly slower than the Deltawing but uses only 57% of the Deltawing's power (and hence, roughly, 57% of the fuel consumption). In terms of fuel used to lap time it massively out-performs the Deltawing. Giving it an ACO crash-tested tub would add some weight, but then giving it the same power as the Deltawing would make it VERY VERY quick indeed.... |
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16 Nov 2013, 12:59 (Ref:3332119) | #2558 | |
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Give the Stohr the development budget of the DW and you'll be miles ahead. BTW, the Tucker DSR was predicted (lap sim) to lap Road Atlanta in 1:14-1:15 range, though the engineer conceded it might even go better... |
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16 Nov 2013, 13:19 (Ref:3332123) | #2559 | ||
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^^^ Isn't it the West DSR? Stohr makes DSR's but nothing like that and I think they make F1000's for SCCA club racing.
http://www.westracecars.com/ You also see "West" stickers on Level 5's P2 cars. |
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I believe Tucker bought West racing ... and a West chassis was the basis for his multi-million-dollar class-killing DSR.
That car probably did have the development budget of the DWing. |
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The DW has lasted more than 8 hours at Petit Le Mans. We never got to find out how long it would last mechanically at Le Mans. The engine on the Le Mans car was no more aggressively tuned than a typical ricemobile, so having the engine finish 24H shouldn't have been a problem, but we never got to find out. I don't think these motorcycle-based engines could last 24H, but in any case, what I would really like to see is a class where cars like that and the DW can play with each other and we can see what works. |
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In F1 the rules are stuck in the stone age to protect the status quo. Is that also the reason sportscar rules require such inefficient designs? Let the designers do their thing! When the cars get too fast for safety, cut the fuel allocation back. Other than that, 'Go to it, boys!' |
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16 Nov 2013, 22:08 (Ref:3332326) | #2564 | |
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Agreed. The last thing a championship should do is let one car run to "unlimited" rules.
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17 Nov 2013, 22:58 (Ref:3332772) | #2565 | |
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FYI: there is actually a Le Mans 24 hour race for motorcycles (superbikes), held on the Bugatti circuit every year...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enduran...d_Championship |
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A CBR 1100cc engined Caterham won its class at the Nurburgring 24 hours race in 2000 (before Caterhams were stopped from being allowed to compete at the event), so there is definitely a precedent for superbike-engined cars working just fine over 24 hours.....
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22 Nov 2013, 21:50 (Ref:3335378) | #2568 | ||
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Hopefully we can see more of this in the future, in a high-efficiency, technically open class.
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Marshall Pruett has a good article on the lawsuit here:
http://www.racer.com/panoz-led-delta...rticle/323046/ Something that stands out to me: there were several charges against Bowlby and Nissan that are based on oral agreements.... so shame on DW and DWP56 for not getting signed contracts! But I will say the DW group have a good case concerning many of the charges. |
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Wouldn't mind seeing a restraining order on both concepts due to the irreparable damage to my eyes, though!
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I was wondering how long it would be, before litigation reared its ugly head.
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2 Dec 2013, 22:03 (Ref:3339497) | #2573 | |
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Funny how long the "this is an open source design" bit lasted.
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2 Dec 2013, 23:49 (Ref:3339537) | #2574 | |
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http://www.gran-turismo.com/local/jp...arlist_en.html
Deltawing is back to GT6...... with TWICE!!! 37 DeltaWing 2013 DeltaWing 38 DeltaWing sponsored by Nissan at LeMans 2012 |
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