USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 105

MoMedic9019 · 2 Aug 2013, 15:46 (Ref:3285048)

The rollcage bit needs to NOT be a thing. Frankly, the only thing it does is worsen the manu. participation. They shouldn't need to build a specific car for one series.

There is also a massive outcry against helmet regs. Elkins is mandating FIA 8860 spec, and that isn't required by anyone else, INCLUDING, NASCAR...

The cost to the participant is outlandish, and frankly pointless. I usually back Elkins, but, on this one...no way. Assumed best practice isn't always the case.

EDIT-Open cockpit I understand, but for closed cockpit, or GT, it's pointless.

HORNDAWG · 2 Aug 2013, 16:08 (Ref:3285056)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

The rollcage bit needs to NOT be a thing. Frankly, the only thing it does is worsen the manu. participation. They shouldn't need to build a specific car for one series.

There is also a massive outcry against helmet regs. Elkins is mandating FIA 8860 spec, and that isn't required by anyone else, INCLUDING, NASCAR...

The cost to the participant is outlandish, and frankly pointless. I usually back Elkins, but, on this one...no way. Assumed best practice isn't always the case.

EDIT-Open cockpit I understand, but for closed cockpit, or GT, it's pointless.

When is a higher safety standard for the drivers ever pointless?

L.P.

Maelochs · 2 Aug 2013, 17:17 (Ref:3285083)

Holding up NASCAR's safety standard as a comparison is like saying tank drivers don't wear full body armor so no one should.

Al we have to do is make prototypes out of steel with a 1700-kg min weight, and that comparison makes all kinds of sense.

Mechanic Z · 2 Aug 2013, 17:57 (Ref:3285092)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

The Jordan and Leo talk was pretty good.

L.P.

Taylor didn't strike one as being terribly well informed, even about the DP.
Maybe he's too busy making stupid music videos to actually learn much about the technical side of the car he drives.
He has a terribly realistic 'perfect world' scenario for the 2014 season: All season in the DP, in the Corvette for LeMans. That'll work. Sure.

Hopefully he does get left in the DP.

Mechanic Z · 2 Aug 2013, 17:58 (Ref:3285093)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

When is a higher safety standard for the drivers ever pointless?
L.P.

+1

HORNDAWG · 2 Aug 2013, 18:26 (Ref:3285104)

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Originally Posted by Mechanic Z

Taylor didn't strike one as being terribly well informed, even about the DP.
Maybe he's too busy making stupid music videos to actually learn much about the technical side of the car he drives.
He has a terribly realistic 'perfect world' scenario for the 2014 season: All season in the DP, in the Corvette for LeMans. That'll work. Sure.

Hopefully he does get left in the DP.

What a crock-o-!

L.P.

BullMan · 2 Aug 2013, 20:39 (Ref:3285134)

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Originally Posted by Mechanic Z

Taylor didn't strike one as being terribly well informed, even about the DP.
Maybe he's too busy making stupid music videos to actually learn much about the technical side of the car he drives.
He has a terribly realistic 'perfect world' scenario for the 2014 season: All season in the DP, in the Corvette for LeMans. That'll work. Sure.

Hopefully he does get left in the DP.

He'll have to clone himself to drive the Corvette at Le Mans and a DP at whatever circuit the new series will be at.

jeast · 2 Aug 2013, 21:01 (Ref:3285141)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

He'll have to clone himself to drive the Corvette at Le Mans and a DP at whatever circuit the new series will be at.

Kansas? No I'm pretty sure they will have a Le Mans break.

EricS · 2 Aug 2013, 21:18 (Ref:3285147)

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Originally Posted by jeast

Kansas? No I'm pretty sure they will have a Le Mans break.

You're right, they will have a Le Mans break for the drivers. But not a ~month long break that's needed for the teams.

BullMan · 2 Aug 2013, 21:25 (Ref:3285150)

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Kansas? No I'm pretty sure they will have a Le Mans break.

If they keep that crappy roval on the schedule and they're the least bit smart, they would schedule to worst track when the fewest teams show up like during the Le Mans "season."

MoMedic9019 · 2 Aug 2013, 22:01 (Ref:3285159)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

When is a higher safety standard for the drivers ever pointless?

The problem is, other than Schuberth, the helmets are of crazy weight, and axial neck loads, are very, very high. 8860 only provides for higher impact protection from a foreign object.

The cost is approaching $7,000 bucks with comms, paint job, add'l visors etc.

As I said, for open cockpit it makes total sense. For closed cockpit it makes none. The fastest sedan series in the world doesn't even require them...it's just a joke. Especially when you may need to replace it during the season, or prior to the next.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if i'm wearing a $1000 dollar lid, or a $10,000 dollar one. If my brain bounces around inside my skull and bleeds, it was going to happen regardless. I respect the work Prof. Sid Watkins did, and this spec is his legacy, it was designed for F1. Not for closed top GT.

Mechanic Z · 2 Aug 2013, 22:43 (Ref:3285176)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

What a crock-o-!

L.P.

**joeb** · 2 Aug 2013, 23:27 (Ref:3285189)

Take that uscr!

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...rld-challenge/

jeast · 2 Aug 2013, 23:40 (Ref:3285191)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Take that uscr!

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...rld-challenge/

Wow didn't see that coming.. Maybe I will make the trip to St. Pete this year instead of Sebring.

Beetle · 2 Aug 2013, 23:56 (Ref:3285195)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Take that uscr!

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...rld-challenge/

That on will really open the floodgates.

MoMedic9019 · 2 Aug 2013, 23:56 (Ref:3285196)

Oh boy...that just turned the wicks up a bit for the USCR...they likely will need to include standard GT3 regs wih a bit of BoP. The grid they could potentially have for some of the longer races would be stunning.

I can't tell if this is good for USCR, or really, really, really bad.

Beetle · 2 Aug 2013, 23:59 (Ref:3285197)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Oh boy...that just turned the wicks up a bit for the USCR...they likely will need to include standard GT3 regs wih a bit of BoP. The grid they could potentially have for some of the longer races would be stunning.

I can't tell if this is good for USCR, or really, really, really bad.

Bad, I'd expect. It's just going to draw attention further and further away from them. Which is not what they wanted - by merging ALMS and Grand-Am together, I figured they wanted no one else sharing the spotlight in American sportscar racing. That all just changed...

Lanky Turtle · 3 Aug 2013, 00:01 (Ref:3285199)

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Originally Posted by jeast

Wow didn't see that coming.. Maybe I will make the trip to St. Pete this year instead of Sebring.

I suggest both.

Lanky Turtle · 3 Aug 2013, 00:09 (Ref:3285201)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Take that uscr!

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...rld-challenge/

What's the difference between the current spec GT3 WC cars and a full spec GT3 car? Is it the spoiler or something?
I thought GT3 cars were allowed in PWC currently because I know I saw the Merc and Audi race at St. Pete earlier in the year, and the McLaren in the paddock.
If the modifications are minor, maybe a team could run PWC and some USCR races also.
I'm not sure if many/any European GT3 teams would come to the U.S. to race PWC.

**joeb** · 3 Aug 2013, 00:14 (Ref:3285204)

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Originally Posted by Lanky Turtle

What's the difference between the current spec GT3 WC cars and a full spec GT3 car? Is it the spoiler or something?
I thought GT3 cars were allowed in PWC currently because I know I saw the Merc and Audi race at St. Pete earlier in the year, and the McLaren in the paddock.
If the modifications are minor, maybe a team could run PWC and some USCR races also.
I'm not sure if many/any European GT3 teams would come to the U.S. to race PWC.

Currently only 3 makes (of gt3) were allowed in world challenge. Now they all are with the fia spec bop. I don't know if this is uscr competition directly. World challenge is a sprint series while uscr is endurance. Some teams will have to choose, but the budget required for uscr will be substantially higher.

Lanky Turtle · 3 Aug 2013, 00:20 (Ref:3285206)

Also I really like the PWC series, I saw them earlier in the year and record all the races and miss seeing them as a support race at Sebring.
Watched since the SpeedWC days.
But aren't all of their races support races?
And the tv broadcasts are highlight shows at least a week after the races.
And won't GT3 teams be turned off by the spec tire deal?
I think of the series as more of a competitor to Conti Challenge.

NaBUru38 · 3 Aug 2013, 00:21 (Ref:3285207)

If there was a fake Twitter account of John Dagys, how about Don Panoz?

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Excited that one of my first followers is an Irishman @DamienFaulkner. I love Ireland - many great family memories and amazing tax laws.

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Lanky Turtle · 3 Aug 2013, 00:26 (Ref:3285209)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Currently only 3 makes (of gt3) were allowed in world challenge. Now they all are with the fia spec bop. I don't know if this is uscr competition directly. World challenge is a sprint series while uscr is endurance. Some teams will have to choose, but the budget required for uscr will be substantially higher.

I think it's a good idea on their part, put I don't foresee a huge influx of teams to the series. The GT3 McLaren has been available to run all year but nobody is running one.

Breitling24 · 3 Aug 2013, 01:15 (Ref:3285227)

Perhaps this news will help PWC develop a better TV package.

Christian Mogami · 3 Aug 2013, 01:57 (Ref:3285238)

That Acura NSX(not street spec,racing spec) running laps at Mid-Ohio this weekend is under the control of Realtime Racing.

Peter Cunningham racing a NSX again in the GT Class next year?!!!!!!

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