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What is the point of Aston even participating in LMP1?
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Having said all that they have produced their own car, which is a very difficult undertaking. Hopefully the engine that is their Achilles heel which can be resolved quickly. |
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As stated before, the only thing Aston Martin can do is get their cars sorted to do a couple of fast laps, show true speed during qualifying, start the race, blast it for as long as they can and then retire with inevitable cooked engines.
Anything else'll be a crushing blow to their image... |
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The straight six engine in the LMP1 is somehow connected to a possible roadcar Aston using a straight six (marketing).
Aston Martin needs to be at LM in some capacity, they are like Porsche in a way in that the big part of the motorsport heritage is in sportscars and Le Mans in particular. Look what they achieved in GT1 with the DBR9. If they werent in LMP1 for whatever reason, I'd like to see a full on factory effort in GT-E with the Vantage (similar to what they did in GT1). Then they could go fight the Vettes again-and Ferrari and every other man and his dog. |
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The Vantage GTE is running competitively these days but how many people discuss the program?
Granted, it's not all been in a positive light, but the AMR-ONE has never been out of the headlines, Richards, Prodrive and Aston will be gutted with the bad publicity, but the potential rewards are huge when they turn things around. Success or failure shouldn't be judged on winning Le Mans, that's the target, but playing a significant contribution to great racing, in a great era, is arguably more important to building a legacy. It's why so many bit part Group C cars have gone down as legends while cars that won Le Mans in poorer times are virtually forgotten. |
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For Le Mans, a cd of 0,6 for a open top car seems high. I would say 0,4 or 0,45, even for the AMR ; while 0,6 would suit better to a shorter circuit. And do you consider also in your calculation the force which is proportionnal to the speed (from friction of tyres, transmissions) or do you think it's negligible ? |
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Let's face it, the V12 Vantage program has just been one big failure... and while the future is definitely looking brighter - as the car does have potential in right hands - it just isn't DBR9. I'm 100% certain that the GT1 wins at Le Mans brought more attention to Aston Martin than "let's fight for top P1 petrol honours" or non-works GT2/E ever did, or will.
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Sorry, that just slipped from my mouth... err keyboard! Carry on.
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*Not saying they don't need some help, but in 2010 a P2 lapped quicker than all of this years petrol P1's, and Highcroft confirmed their 2011 P1 is quicker than last years P2! Last edited by JAG; 2 May 2011 at 22:32. |
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Exactly - if Aston manage to make the car work properly and be truly competitive and then they can start arguing about the equivalency rules. Until then there is no argument, as neither they nor anyone else are putting the same resource into a petrol car as Pug & Audi are into Diesel. When a top line manufacturer steps up to the plate then I am sure the ACO will take the steps necessary.
Just look at the progress made by Audi and Pug have made already to claw back the time lost by the rule changes. So far the petrol cars have not made anything like the same progress. It will be interesting to see what HPD can do with what is an interim car. I suspect they will give a clearer picture as to where the true equivelency lies |
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Petrol cars have been racing for decades so the rate of development now is so small as there is no huge steps to be made. The diesels are still in there very early stages relatively and each season will be making huge gains just because there is still plenty to learn. Whatever ACO do to peg back diesels it is less than the development made during the year.
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If racing is to inprove the breed the rules shouldn't be the equivalent of a vasectomy. Let's hope that hybrid technology gets the same breaks from the ACO. |
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Since when performance breaks improve the breed? Darwin would surely disagree.
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'Let's hope that hybrid technology gets the same breaks from the ACO.'
Let's not. |
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So you are saying that if you decide to run petrol then don't expect to compete!!??
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A bit on the Aston Martin straight six heritage: http://www.doubledeclutch.com/?p=1152
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