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I haven't seen any Mercedes customer teams dropping their q3 times as much as the works teams. But they would shut up wouldn't they as you've got the Merc engine and you wouldn't want the jeopardize your delicate position. |
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I meant the amount their Q3 times drop in relation to Q2 compared to any other team on the the grid. I reckon anyone will have a hard time assigning that to their chassis or drivers...
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If Q3 time drops were down to drivers alone, would we not see the same results in other teams with high quality drivers?
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I think we misread it, it's only gonna be a standing restart after red flags, not SCs. Still need to get rid of this SC free pass rule, as it has no merit in a driver getting a lap back just because he got lucky with a SC
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'This year for the first time races may feature standing starts after safety car periods that follow red flags, with the cars all forming up on the grid once the safety car has been called in. There is also an option for an 'RS' or 'ROLLING START' message if conditions are not suitable for a grid start.' |
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Ooo, my fault. I misread that.
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Why on earth do they constantly create these areas of uncertainty that can only end badly? Mess around with everything that works, and blithely ignore huge faults. |
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I would have thought Charlie Whiting will have to stipulate whether it's a rolling or standing start, before the field comes out onto the track behind the SC or even before the race takes place. Personally, I don't think the rolling start should even be considered because of the issues IndyCar had with rolling starts on road and street courses. |
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Shades of Monza when Ronnie P died..... IIRC the rear of grid cars were still arriving at the grid when the race was started, resulting in the rear of grid cars being up to speed too early, catching those ahead and the whole pack was compressed as the track funnelled in where the crash happened?
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Exactly, the driver in the lead has lost that advantage he built up by having lapped cars between him and the others
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It is also full of uncertainties and will be called for championship and race result manipulation depending on who is on what strategy when the decision is made to use one restart system or other. The stewarding decisions are often debatable, the sport just plain does not need this as well. Last edited by wnut; 10 Mar 2018 at 11:16. |
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you do realise, as crmalcolm posted upthread, this is literally just after red flag situations? it’s not going to be a common situation *at all*.
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The procedure for re-starting a race which has been suspended (red flag) is quite straightforward as detailed in the F1 Sporting Regulations. In normal circumstances the restart will be a standing start, if conditions are deemed such that a SS isn't considered appropriate (track conditions due to rain for example) then the restart will be a rolling one. Given the level of Comms that exist between race control, the teams and drivers there is no reason why anyone would be confused. |
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F1 will probably have to work this out for themselves, they are too arrogant to work it out from somebody else's experience, and will have to run into the wall that "nobody could have predicted" for themselves.
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Double-file rolling starts were a disaster when IndyCar adopted them. However, you're right that's usually the way with F1. Being too arrogant, as well as over complicating something.
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Yet they got the idea of a safety car off the pace car in America...
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1973 F1 introduced a pace car following the outrage that they kept racing while Roger Williamson burned to death. The first pace car was run in Canada in 1973 when Scheckter and Cervert crashed into one another blocking the track. The officials then picked up Ganley who was running 6th instead of the leader Revson, causing a rumpus about who had won the race. Apparently there was a pace car on hand at the 81/82/83 Monaco GP, but it was not deployed. The next use of a Pace car or "Safety car" as F1 likes to call them was in the 1993 where the cars used were found to be too slow and blamed for Senna's accident. The car was significantly upgraded in 1994 to ensure a quick enough car was used, and the use of a professional racing driver to drive the car came about much later. (????Date) So in effect it took F1 at best 62 years to try and copy American racing's proven use of the pace car, 82 years to use one on a regular basis, 83 years to get the right car as a pace car, and longer to find out a professional driver was needed to competently drive the thing. All these teething troubles would have been solved for them by the SCCA if somebody had thought to ask! Not an impressive timeline, just pure bloody mindedness and arrogance! |
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And when introduced there was outcry amongst fans who didn’t want the change.
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