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Doesn't feel like much of a surprise. I wouldn't risk money on them showing up for Petit, myself.
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But it sure was entertaining and fun to watch, while it lasted.
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Yep. All fun and games until Field hit someone (saw him take out the late Paul Newman in person) or until John Q. Law catches up, which we all saw.
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Indeed, saw him try and get past the DeFerran P1 Acura in the wet going into turn 10 at petit. DeFerran was having a great race and was ahead of Audi and Peugeot on pace, but needless to say, Jon didn't make the pass cleanly. We are getting slightly off topic here, but I always wondered how Jon would have acted if he had a and reliable car like an Audi to play with. Would he still have been as fast or would the situation have changed driving Style?
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I always thought of Jon Field as a turn-it-up-to-11, "what does 'consequences' mean?", over-the-edge nutjob. His financial dealings, when revealed, only reinforced that thought.
He ran like a rocket and blew up, but even knowing that would happen, never backed off. Classic cocaine-addict behavior (not saying he was) of just keep doing more until you run out and crash, and that will suck, but don't think about it, just do more. No concern for his own safety or anyone else's. Always fun to watch until he grenaded. I had no idea they won P2 le mans in 2004 ... was looking for where his son ended up and stumbled across that. Hard to imagine the team lasting 24 laps, let alone 24 hours. ... and apparently won P2 overall in in 2005? The last I see of Clint is a PC ride in 2011. |
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I always thought of Jon Field as a turn-it-up-to-11, "what does 'consequences' mean?", over-the-edge nutjob. His financial dealings, when revealed, only reinforced that thought.
He ran like a rocket and blew up, but even knowing that would happen, never backed off. Classic cocaine-addict behavior (not saying he was) of just keep doing more until you run out and crash, and that will suck, but don't think about it, just do more. No concern for his own safety or anyone else's. Always fun to watch until he grenaded. I had no idea they won P2 le mans in 2004 ... was looking for where his son ended up and stumbled across that. Hard to imagine the team lasting 24 laps, let alone 24 hours. ... and apparently won P2 overall in in 2005? The last I see of Clint is a PC ride in 2011. |
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Outside of all the antics, both Clint and Jon were quick and brought a little excitement to the series.
I miss the Lolas and some the little privateers that we had then. DPi doesn't really encourage that...well, and Lola is no more. |
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With the rumors of a possible Toyota or (IMO more likely) Porsche scale back or pull out potentially happening at the end of the season (could be the news that John Dagys has mentioned, though without details, and Hindy has been making hints that Porsche could be on the way out at least as a full time entry), if that happens, could we see an ACO version of DPI is a cheap entry level factory alternative to the current LMP1 rules.
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I can see the whole hybrid thing going away. An LMP1-L class would be much better subscribed and Much less expensive ... and much easier to sell the Boards of Directors. It is easier to explain losing when you aren't spend several hundred million euros to lose. Porsche could easily field a team foe a quarter of that, and could also sell customer cars .. the way it always had been until P1-H came along. DPi and P1-H could be balanced or coordinated somehow ... factory involvement wouldn't be an issue any more, and teams could maybe have more freedom to modify the chassis and bodywork ... since it wouldn't necessarily be a spending war ... There could be a P1-F and P1-P fpr factories and privateers, even, with spending caps on P1-P and modification caps on P1-F ... so factories couldn't spend millions for a hundredth-second edge (thus driving the cost out of reach) and privateers could experiment to their hearts' content within a budget (which would hopefully keep the factories out of P1-P.) And sure, after five or seven years teams would have extracted everything form the chassis, and Then spending a hundred million for the slightest edge would start up ... at which time the rules would need to change or whatever. To me the hybrid thing is a bust. The actual on-track racing isn't any better, the budgets surpass F1, and I don't (and apparently the manufacturers don't) see reasonable RoI. If it were me, I would shrink Everything .... make 5 liter NA the biggest engine and 3 liters boosted, (or 2.5 or whatever seemed equitable) and start over with lower speeds. In five years we'd be back to where we are now anyway. |
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Racing would be better if there wasn't one way to do things being championed, be it by design or coincidence, by the rules. When cars have different strengths and weaknesses, you usually get better racing. When things get more spec or more inline with one way to do things, gaps might close, but you run into diminishing returns when everyone does basically the same thing.
That's why we had races like Audi vs Porsche in the ALMS late 2007, and Audi vs Porsche in 2015 at Spa and Silverstone. But with everyone now doing 8MJ gasoline hybrids, it's been Toyota (who've upped their game the past couple of seasons) basically curb stomping Porsche. Porsche have been able to minimize the damage with strategy, but on track, rarely has Porsche been able to match Toyota for speed so far this year. Goes back to something that I don't like about modern racing, that almost all the good ideas have been thought up and implemented, or have been banned or just done to death. |
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I don't think the racing was much better before hybrids. You only had two teams competing for wins just like now (in the ILMC). Except they had diesel engines. In the ALMS it was a rule tweak and some more power for lmp2's that kept them with the R10's. Then when Audi left ALMS, it was Acura vs Porsche for a little bit until that was gone. Then you had the occasional p1 battle with Dyson vs the Acura with the latter cleaning up most the time. Now you got the same Cadillac winning, even if it starts at the rear of the prototypes The more things change, the more they stay the same!
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I do think that WEC is providing better racing with the P1s than LMS did with the P1s back in the day. LMS was good, but some of the racing we've had recently is madness. But I also think we've got better racing all the way through. Remember how poor LMP2/LMP675 was a decade ago, and now how close it is. |
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