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RF_Racer · 12 Sep 2009, 04:54 (Ref:2538895)

Have people gone mad!!!!!

Why is Piquet the one to blame? do you honestly think he will say, hey Fav lets put Alonso on a agressive stratergy and Ill crash so he can benefit?

I belive Piquet was pressured and black mailed by Flav.. this is more believable than vice versa!

Yes he may have been upset and blew the whistle, so what? Flav and Symonds should be held accountable for race fixing and dealt with!

p261brm · 12 Sep 2009, 09:02 (Ref:2538927)

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Originally Posted by RF_Racer

Have people gone mad!!!!!

Why is Piquet the one to blame? do you honestly think he will say, hey Fav lets put Alonso on a agressive stratergy and Ill crash so he can benefit?

I belive Piquet was pressured and black mailed by Flav.. this is more believable than vice versa!

Yes he may have been upset and blew the whistle, so what? Flav and Symonds should be held accountable for race fixing and dealt with!

Are folk blaming Piquet? seems to me that if this whole charade is true, and personally, some pretty good strokes have been pulled in the past, I just can not see this being true. Like other posters, this reeks of Mosely and the absolute underhanded way the man opperates. Along with others I have known races handed on a plate to A.N.Other for a variety of reasons, the most famous being Moss to give Hawthorn the championship, but no one in their right mind will accuse either gentleman of being a cheat.

strider · 12 Sep 2009, 09:16 (Ref:2538934)

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Originally Posted by p261brm

Along with others I have known races handed on a plate to A.N.Other for a variety of reasons, the most famous being Moss to give Hawthorn the championship, but no one in their right mind will accuse either gentleman of being a cheat.

If you're saying that Moss gave Hawthorn the Championship, he didn't. He gave evidence in Portugal on Hawthorn's behalf, which saved him losing points, i.e. a very sporting gesture, but the Championship was handed to Hawthorn in Morocco when his team-mate, Phil Hill, slowed to let Hawthorn by and win the title.

Presumably that's what you mean, but it didn't come over like that.

**Born Racer** · 12 Sep 2009, 10:10 (Ref:2538949)

Where can an onboard of Piquet's crash be seen?

Marbot · 12 Sep 2009, 10:17 (Ref:2538952)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Where can an onboard of Piquet's crash be seen?

I don't think that there is one,and if there is,you can bet that only FOM and the FIA have it.

jab · 12 Sep 2009, 10:28 (Ref:2538958)

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Originally Posted by duke_toaster

This is data from Parragon's 2000-2001 F1 Yearbook, decide how much salt if any you want to put on these numbers of employees - for 2000 season presumably.

Bear in mind what that doesn't include - facilities, engineers (the team was based in France, not around Silverstone) and other issues like that.

Also, three of the five years of its existance were with debatable Pug engines and the team never had real star drivers. It also isn't always the person at the top that makes things fail.

Off topic comment alert
I have to type this or my brain will explode!

Prost made some pretty wacky decisions, though. The decision to move the team to Guyancourt is a good example of that. He just didn't have the leadership skills to take the team forward

What you have to consider is that the 97 Prost was a Ligier in all but name, at that stage. It was a potential race-winning car. They went from being front-runners to backmarkers in a season that doesn't happen just by magic. There were serious problems in the structure of the team and, to put it bluntly, it was Prost's fault

Good, brief article on the history of Prost here

Thanks for reading, you've been a wonderful audience. Don't forget to try the veal and tip your waitress. We now return you to the topic

**Born Racer** · 12 Sep 2009, 10:31 (Ref:2538960)

Super Hans, I believe you mentioned somewhere about this not being the first time a driver has crashed intentionally. Can you give examples?

Mekola · 12 Sep 2009, 10:55 (Ref:2538972)

Well, generally are cases on drivers crashing on other drivers intentionally that were known.
I don't remember a case when a driver crashes himself alone before...

Pingguest · 12 Sep 2009, 15:17 (Ref:2539069)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I think he's actually saying : "Don't do I do, because what's good for me might not be good for you..."

Won't find me practising what I'm preaching
Won't find me making no sacrifice
But I can get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, don't do as I do

- Genesis

JeremySmith · 12 Sep 2009, 15:27 (Ref:2539074)

This whole mess is taking a rather bizarre turn..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78532

jab · 12 Sep 2009, 16:04 (Ref:2539092)

Is this what you were hinting at, Bon?

Mr V · 12 Sep 2009, 16:32 (Ref:2539105)

What a queer situation this is turning out to be!

Kebab · 12 Sep 2009, 16:46 (Ref:2539110)

Flav resorting to petty & trashy crap like that just makes him look even more guilty imo

duke_toaster · 12 Sep 2009, 16:48 (Ref:2539111)

Time for another libel lawsuit?

JeremySmith · 12 Sep 2009, 16:57 (Ref:2539116)

Yes it's bad news and not what F1 needs at all...

p261brm · 12 Sep 2009, 17:03 (Ref:2539120)

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Originally Posted by strider

If you're saying that Moss gave Hawthorn the Championship, he didn't. He gave evidence in Portugal on Hawthorn's behalf, which saved him losing points, i.e. a very sporting gesture, but the Championship was handed to Hawthorn in Morocco when his team-mate, Phil Hill, slowed to let Hawthorn by and win the title.

Presumably that's what you mean, but it didn't come over like that.

Thank you for putting the incident into a more accurate context for me; and many more examples could be given. Aintree perhaps? Not sure if the gentlemen concerned in other instances, read or even get to hear some of our pet theories, I'll save them the embarrassment and not mention the events.

Sodemo · 12 Sep 2009, 17:27 (Ref:2539129)

Very strange indeed.

Super Hans · 12 Sep 2009, 17:40 (Ref:2539134)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Super Hans, I believe you mentioned somewhere about this not being the first time a driver has crashed intentionally. Can you give examples?

I won't name names, but there were famous incidents of drivers allegedly crashing deliberately at Suzuka (1990), Adelaide (1994), Jerez (1997) and Monte Carlo (2006).

**Peter Mallett** · 12 Sep 2009, 17:44 (Ref:2539136)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

What a queer situation this is turning out to be!

That would be funny if the whole thing wasn't a bit seedy.

**Born Racer** · 12 Sep 2009, 17:57 (Ref:2539139)

Ah ok. Well, that's a different kettle of fish.

jab · 12 Sep 2009, 18:01 (Ref:2539141)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

I won't name names, but there were famous incidents of drivers allegedly crashing deliberately at Suzuka (1990), Adelaide (1994), Jerez (1997) and Monte Carlo (2006).

You don't say? Well I never...

Anyway, apparently this guy he lived with is his old mechanic, Agnaldo Furlani

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/formula...&in_page_id=58

Marbot · 12 Sep 2009, 18:05 (Ref:2539143)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

I won't name names, but there were famous incidents of drivers allegedly crashing deliberately at Suzuka (1990), Adelaide (1994), Jerez (1997) and Monte Carlo (2006).

No names needed.

All of the above did so in an effort to gain something from the championship.Piquet did it in far more mysterious circumstances,and allegedly was not acting alone.

Please don't let there be 'Gay-gate'!

ensign14 · 12 Sep 2009, 18:42 (Ref:2539166)

"Gay-te"?

Super Hans · 12 Sep 2009, 18:54 (Ref:2539173)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Ah ok. Well, that's a different kettle of fish.

Maybe so, but when people are calling for life bans on the basis that the lives of competitors, marshals and spectators were put at risk, it makes me roll my eyes. Does anyone truly believe that Piquet's accident carried greater risk than the incident at Suzuka involving Ayrton Senna?

Sodemo · 12 Sep 2009, 19:01 (Ref:2539174)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

Maybe so, but when people are calling for life bans on the basis that the lives of competitors, marshals and spectators were put at risk, it makes me roll my eyes. Does anyone truly believe that Piquet's accident carried greater risk than the incident at Suzuka involving Ayrton Senna?

But that was 20 years ago. Now we are safety-obsessed.

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