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16 Mar 2007, 15:13 (Ref:1868324) | #251 | ||
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Alain Filhol was the owner of my car (36-11) between 88-93 according to the FIA papers. Have had no success either tracking him down. Unless he had more than one BT36 I cant imagine it was 36-5 he raced in the early 90's in light of the above. |
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16 Mar 2007, 15:16 (Ref:1868329) | #252 | ||
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Has anyone asked John Harper where he bought 36-5?
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16 Mar 2007, 15:28 (Ref:1868336) | #253 | ||
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Had phone and fax numbers for him but I am not sure they are still valid.
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1 May 2007, 23:04 (Ref:1904606) | #254 | ||
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Thruxton, 1971. While its mostly the Rondel Team I hope it's of general interest.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/snglinks/ Allen, you have the inside info on this site I think, how does one get hold of the owner of the photos? |
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9 Jun 2007, 18:41 (Ref:1933364) | #255 | |
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Re Bt36x
BT36X was owned for some time by Worcestershire based Chris Dowson. He successfully competed in the British hillclimb championship for a number of seasons, sponsored by local firm Unidraw. His best result was 10th overall in the British championship around 1982. This led to the purchase of a Pilbeam MP47 previously raced by Alistair Douglas-Osborne. The 5 litre Repco engine was taken out of the BT36X and transplanted into the Pilbeam, the chassis was shortened while the transpant was undertaken. Dowson then contiued to compete in this car for a number of seasons, sharing the car firstly with former champion Chris Cramer and later Charles Wardle, who became British champion in it. The BT36X was retained by Dowson with a view to going historic hillclimbing and was still in his possesion in 1988. Terry Devlin from Judd personally looked after the engine while Dowson owned it.
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9 Oct 2007, 00:16 (Ref:2035414) | #256 | ||
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The Brabham F2 of Nicolas (or Neckel) Koob was bought in the winter 1974-1975 and used in 1975 by a young Luxemburger driver called Johny Krier.
He competed in Belgian and Luxembourg hill climbs. Krier also used in 1975 a Luraco Lola T28S (Group 8/9) and a Chevron F5000. |
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Were you once Marcor on TNF? TNF is a poorer place without you. Thanks for this. Can you tell us your source? Also, do you know which Chevron F5000 Krier had? There aren't many missing that early on and it would be good to be able to fuill the gap. Cheers Allen |
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9 Oct 2007, 10:13 (Ref:2035709) | #258 | ||
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So:
BT36-5 1971 F.I.R.S.T. for Peter Westbury for F2 1972 (early season) Peter Westbury for F2 1972-74 Nick Koob (Luxembourg) for French, Belgian and Luxembourg hill climbs 1975 Johny Krier (Luxembourg) for French, Belgian and Luxembourg climbs Nothing further ‘till 1990 Paris ? 1992 John Harper 1993 John Beasley 1999 Abba Kogan |
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9 Oct 2007, 10:27 (Ref:2035721) | #259 | ||
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OK to leave Salvi in? page edited as follows;
BT36-5 1971 F.I.R.S.T. for Peter Westbury for F2 1972 (early season) Peter Westbury for F2 1972-74 Nick (Neckel) Koob, Luxembourg for French, Belgian and Luxembourg hill climbs 1975 Johny Krier, Luxembourg for French, Belgian and Luxembourg hill climbs 1977 presumably the car of Michel Salvi in French hill climbs Nothing further ‘till 1990 Paris ? 1992 John Harper 1993 John Beasley 1999 Abba Kogan |
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9 Oct 2007, 10:30 (Ref:2035727) | #260 | ||
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The Salvi bit was pure speculation
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9 Oct 2007, 10:43 (Ref:2035743) | #261 | ||
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OK, I've left it in but added brackets.
I've got a couple of v. small BT30 amendments that I'll do in due course, (waiting for a green light from the source) |
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10 Oct 2007, 21:26 (Ref:2037267) | #262 | ||
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Hello Allen,
Yes I was aka Marcor in TNF. I still sometimes post there under my real name (Marc Ceulemans). My sources are 2 newspapers from Luxembourg (Luxemburger Wort and Tageblatt) + Retro (a Belgian mag about National and Local races). In Retro n°38 (4 October 1975), there is a page about that 24 year (vey) rich luxemburger (Johny Krier). It is said that Krier bought at the end of 1974 a Lola T280 and completed his racing stable in record time with 2 Chevron B24 and the Brabham BT 36 of Nicolas Koob. |
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10 Oct 2007, 21:56 (Ref:2037292) | #263 | ||
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2 Chevron B24?!?
One of them would probably be the car Roelof Wunderink drove in 1973 but I have no idea about the second one. |
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1 Nov 2007, 01:27 (Ref:2056484) | #264 | ||
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source FIA papers. 1971 Peter Westbury. Felday Engineering. Dorking 1972 Nicholas Koob, Bettborn, Luxembourg 1975 Johnny Krier, Luxembourg 1977 Roger Hennenbert, Belgium 1978 M Wille, Longwy. France Tel. 82.257840 1986 Yves Bole, 31 Ave J Jaures, Venissieux 69200 France 1993 J.Beasley, Shrewsbury 1998 T.R.Green (almost illegible) Wellingbrough NN8 2QY Allen, do those later names fit anything you have? |
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1 Nov 2007, 08:50 (Ref:2056608) | #265 | ||
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No, none of them, but it does fit pretty well with what we have for its early career.
Who's T.R.Green? |
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1 Nov 2007, 09:16 (Ref:2056627) | #266 | ||
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"A source" just told me that Tony Green is Abba Kogan's right-hand man.
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1 Nov 2007, 10:11 (Ref:2056682) | #268 | |
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Car sold last night 31st.Oct at auction at Battersea. I Looked at it with a view to bidding, however FIA papers from 1993 gave the Arch Motors number as AM 71 49, but on inspecting the car there was no number stamped on the chassis, and there was no explaination of how a car that had an AM number in 1993 did not have one now! I assume a replacement chassis has been made in the last few years, but the vendor claimed to know nothing about it.
So how can a car which has had a replacement chassis, new bodywork, new engine, and a whole host of other non original parts, oil tank, rad, wheels, instruments, etc. claim to be BT36-5? Although the chassis plate looked OK. but fixed in the wrong place! |
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1 Nov 2007, 10:22 (Ref:2056696) | #269 | ||
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Sometimes the AM numbers become obscured by the coatings on the frame.
Even if it does have a replacement frame, as long as the old frame isn't sold separately, it's still BT36-5. Bodywork and engine are of no consequence when considering the originality of a post-1960s car. They'd make the world of difference to a pre-1950s car but that's another story... |
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1 Nov 2007, 10:46 (Ref:2056716) | #270 | ||
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I've looked at enough frames in my time and stamped numbers are never completely obscured, there was no number! I was not the only one to ask !My question is one of what constitutes a car and not one of originality. |
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1 Nov 2007, 11:40 (Ref:2056782) | #271 | |||
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On the other set of papers (I had a look at both) it is Abba Kogan's name that is indicated |
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1 Nov 2007, 11:46 (Ref:2056790) | #272 | |||
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I understand that after buying the car Abba Kogan sent the car to Barry Leitch in NZ to have it restored. Maybe he has something to say about it. |
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1 Nov 2007, 13:45 (Ref:2056910) | #273 | ||
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or at least an explaination? I have owned and restored Brabhams for 35 years and I am more and more sceptical and disillusioned with the whole FIA papers and HTP forms issue. I think and try to make originality important, but have come to the view, " Could I sit in a car and feel good about it?" and often the answer is no! |
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1 Nov 2007, 16:14 (Ref:2057025) | #275 | ||
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There were no frame or other parts (except 4 split rims with Revolution centres and slicks) offered with the car
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