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8 Jun 2010, 14:18 (Ref:2706723) | #251 | |
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More photo's on www.autosport.nl
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13 Jun 2010, 22:53 (Ref:2711533) | #252 | |
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Did anyone find an entrylist for the Nurburgring?
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17 Jun 2010, 20:07 (Ref:2713926) | #253 | ||
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Nurburgring entry list (previsional)
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Henk de Boer Panoz DP01 Champcar Cosworth 2.8 V8 Turbo Marijn van Kalmthout Ascari Benetton B197 F1 Judd 4.0 V10 Klaas Zwart Ascari Benetton B197 F1 Judd 4.0 V10 Scott Mansell Benetton B199 F1 Judd 4.0 V10 Peter Milavec Panoz DP01 Champcar AER 4.0 V8 Turbo Philippe Bourgois G-Force Indycar Chevy 3.5 V8 Arnold Wagner Arrows A22 F1 Asiatech 3.0 V10 Cor Euser G-Force Indycar Chevy 3.5 V8 Hannes Neuhauser Minardi M190 F1 Cosworth 3.5 V8 Patrick D'Aubreby Benetton B192 F1 Ford HB 3.5 V8 BOSS GP 'Masters' Class Karl-Heinz Becker Dallara Nissan WS Nissan 3.0 V6 Carlos Antunes Tavares Dallara Nissan WS Nissan 3.4 V6 Jean-Claude Monbaron Reynard 91D F3000 Judd 3.0 V8 Alain DeBlandre Lola T8900 Indycar Cosworth 2.7 V8 Turbo See you at the Nurburgring ! Laure Last edited by Laumot; 17 Jun 2010 at 20:20. |
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20 Jun 2010, 11:51 (Ref:2715026) | #254 | ||
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Due to various reasons only 8 cars on the grid Saturday out of 15 entered.
1. Klaas Zwart - 14 laps 2. Henk de Boer - 58.773s 3. Karl-Heinz Becker - 1 lap 4. Alain DeBlandre - 1 lap 5. Jean-Claude Monbaron - 1 lap 6. Patrick D’Aubreby - 1 lap 7. Marijn van Kalmthout - 6 laps 8. Cor Euser - 9 laps |
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20 Jun 2010, 16:54 (Ref:2715135) | #255 | ||
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Nine cars on Sunday, eight finishers
1. Klaas Zwart - 17 laps 2. Marijn van Kalmthout - 28.241 3. Patrick D’Aubreby - 55.753 4. Henk de Boer - 1.01.913 5. Karl-Heinz Becker - 1 lap 6. Alain DeBlandre - 1 lap 7. Carlos Antunes Tavares - 1 lap 8. Jean-Claude Monbaron - 2 laps 9. Cor Euser - DNF |
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20 Jun 2010, 17:17 (Ref:2715147) | #256 | |
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Well that's impressive, well worth screwing up EuroBOSS for. There is always somebody who think they can run things better. Maybe a new breakaway formula from the ranks of BOSS GP would be the answer.
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20 Jun 2010, 17:45 (Ref:2715160) | #257 | |
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If you can indeed anything else??
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20 Jun 2010, 18:05 (Ref:2715167) | #258 | |
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20 Jun 2010, 18:49 (Ref:2715187) | #260 | ||
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Biggest problem seems to be three races in five weeks time...and the next one in three weeks time.
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21 Jun 2010, 06:44 (Ref:2715496) | #261 | |
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Think so, every year the months of May, June and Juli are busy for the raceteams. Somehow organisors seem to fully book the weekends so i can imagine that it's almost impossible to attend each meeting. Maybe a lesson for next season?
Anyway some pictures will follow tonight. Yesterdays race was a nice one with a mindblowing fast start for Marijn van Kalmthout. There was a fine race for third place, too bad Cor Euser had to retire since he was in race for 3rd spot! |
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Von Kalmthout Ford; Aspari cars; Da Boer containers; Jimbo supermarkets. All of which would promise much better deals & products but would in fact offer the same while being presented in such a way that the public don't notice any difference. As has been said before creating a new series/event is the difficult thing, ripping off an existing product is easy and it is now becoming clear that improving on the original isn't as easy as they thought. |
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21 Jun 2010, 12:10 (Ref:2715653) | #263 | |
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Nobody said it was easy right? Can we just stop this bashing around? Who knows what happened with Scott Mansell's car? Or Arnold Wagners Arrows?
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21 Jun 2010, 13:02 (Ref:2715682) | #264 | ||
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There are two primary issues, as I see it, with this sort of series. Firstly the drivers, as primary sponsors of themselves, are not all in a posibition to be able to commit to every event. Mostly they are still running businesses which might introduce a more important demand for their time than a motor race. Secondly it is VERY expensive to be in the game with the top of series BOSS cars and that is an incentive to do what you enjoy where you want to enjoy it - not just go to somewhere because it has track time available. It's a small club with a high cost of membership. Secondly the cars. Very very expensive to operate at all and even more expensive if you want one that runs reliably, especially if you also expect to be competitive. If you go back to Historic F1 - say 60s and 70s - the active teams were relatively small and the technology, remarkable at the time, was relatively simple. In the 90s most of the F1 teams had maybe 10 time the number of staff that they had in the 60s and early 70s but were still only running the same number of cars in more or less the same number of races (if you include a few non-championship events in the old days.) Move to the late 90s and the 00s and the number of peole on the teams doubled again. Those manpower increases were, in part, required to perform the technical functions necessary to support the cars for a few hundred miles of activity over a handful of weekends each year. Oh, and probably twice as many miles of exclusive on track testing before the testing ban came into force. Even if you strip out the development work in the quest for extra performance the size of a team required (and the amount of knowledge of the cars and the technology) just to keep them running 'as is' would be huge. Moreover, whilst we have come to expect almost 100% reliability as a possibility in the last decade that was not the case in the 90s and certainly not the case at any time prior to then. The potential for keeping them operational in their original guise (Engine/Gearboxes/Software/etc.) is non-existent so they have to be re-engineered resulting in fundamental changes under the skin. All of which takes time and cash. I think it is quite remarkable that we see these cars running at all, anywhere, ever. There must be less expensive ways of going racing with high power to weight ratios with a greater chance of seat time and fewer challenges and hassles just to get the car on track. |
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21 Jun 2010, 14:58 (Ref:2715745) | #265 | ||
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One recurring problem with the cars is caused by the installation of over-sized engines. While there is clearly no physical difficulty fitting them the increase in torque, in particular, generates stresses that the cars were simply not designed for. In particular the transmission can be extremely marginal in some of these cars and there is no free space to allow the fitting of bigger/stronger components.
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21 Jun 2010, 21:44 (Ref:2716045) | #266 | ||
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22 Jun 2010, 21:02 (Ref:2716548) | #268 | |
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What a good idea!
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23 Jun 2010, 06:58 (Ref:2716718) | #272 | |
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Though the Ascari team seems to have no problems at all with the Judd 4.0.
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23 Jun 2010, 16:11 (Ref:2716929) | #273 | ||
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The Benetton gearbox is probably less marginal than the Arrows one (especially the carbon fibre cased ones) and Ascari's development budget could be rather higher!
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23 Jun 2010, 19:17 (Ref:2717014) | #274 | ||
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I maybe wrong but I think the judd my be less stressful on the cars than the engines they used in the day .
Judd rev to 12000?? Renault 16000?? with real F1 drivers flat out every lap I would say Ascari run a tight ship and have been racing with the same cars for many years with much larger budget than most. Paul Stoddart/european run all his cars with yamaha/judds and they did not break gearboxes!! |
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