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I had recalled the slight change, too, but couldn't recall specifics. Now that I've seen it on the map and recall the older one, I would think the smaller bus stop would be quicker back to full throttle and therefore quicker times when comparing same / similar cars. |
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"Redneck is not something to aspire to; it's something to f**cking rise above." - Mike Cooley Back on topic and speaking of rednecks, Ford with four bullets in the gun are going to be tough to beat, but that shows that the race is already showing signs of a return to international relevance, no? |
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(b)Absolutely. I attended a few, but, (ala the Righteous Brothers): "I lost that lovin' feelin' Whoa, that lovin' feelin' I lost that lovin' feelin' Now it's gone, gone, gone, woh... ...Bring back that lovin' feelin' Whoa, that lovin' feelin' Bring back that lovin' feelin' 'Cause it's gone, gone, gone"... |
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Good to see IMSA will start races with combined grids next year, not those silly separate proto and GT fields. Just a shame they will still group the cars by type rather than have a genuine qualifying time based starting order.
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Like I said, I hope we're working our way back to real racing. I keep praying (with not the greatest amount of hope for a total return)... |
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What is "real" racing, ye olde jimclark?
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Discussions of fairness of BoP, getting rid of BoP, and resurrection of ALMS rules and regulatons aside "real" racing like allow the cars to race as they qualify. If a GT car qualifies in the top 5 of the prototype ranks then that's where it will start. None of this fastest GT car starting behind all 10 prototypes even though it's faster than half the class. Something along those lines being a start...
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1. Sensible BoP especially in the GT classes. Slight adjustments after a baseline once or twice a year is less than ideal but acceptable. 10 BoP adjustments a year is ridiculous and makes the competition farcical. (looking at you also WEC) While you're at it, open up the performance box a little. Yes the cars can be somewhat even, but we don't have to regulate torque levels and such to make them absolutely the same. 2. Yellow flag/Safety car procedures that make sense and aren't designed to artificially bunch up the field. This means no "lap back" rule, and judicious use of FCY or "virtual Safety Cars" or other means which are now widely accepted around the world. 3. Pit stop rules that allow for differing strategies. There should be an advantage to being able to double or triple stint tires. As it stands, the only advantage is not having to warm the tires on the out lap. Doesn't have to be ACO/ALMS rules, but the current rules don't allow for strategic flexibility. I'm sure there are others, but these three would make for something that would be a more "real racing" series as opposed to a motor racing show. Sorry for the OT rant, I actually still am really looking forward to Daytona. |
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I find it hopeless trying to explain what's been lost over the years in the name of "business" to those that ask. Methinks those that haven't invested their passion into the sport as some have, cannot understand. It's not a fault, 'just a reality. edit: pach233 - Agree with all except the BoP portion. Zip, nada, none in regard to BoP. Set of rules, build and develop your best. Period. |
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How bout that Rolex grid, huh? Looking pretty good....
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One issue to mention ... all those changes made to “improve the show” because it would be good for business ... didn’t improve the show, and thus weren’t good for business.
It seems now the management has realized it had its head up its atherton, and is now actually listening to the fans and considering giving them some of what they want. I can see BoP in GT classes ... how else can a Ferrari race a Corvette, an Aston, and Audi, a Lamborghini, a Mercedes, and maybe even a Bentley? The way to do BoP is to have The Series test the cars twice a year, post the BoP, and leave it until the second test. In prototypes ... maybe a factor to equalize displacement for turbo and NA engines? Not needed now, though. I think the free lap might be hard for them to let go off ... (even though it is pretty offensive when a car which lost a bunch of laps wins) I think the mantra “close finish” is pretty deeply ingrained. Whatever. Either by accident or through increased intellect ... IMSA has actually improved the series each of the past three years. not a lot of times a sports car fan can say that seriously. |
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