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1 Dec 2016, 12:26 (Ref:3692676) | #251 | |
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I also had a feeling in the back of my mind that Nico was gonna lose it for some reason, but he didn't and he deserves it
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Funny that some people say Vettel didn't have good enough tires to threaten Rosberg (who was driving in Hamilton's dirty air for quite a while already) and others feel that Vettel still posed quite a threat to Hamilton's/Mercedes' win.
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Formula 1 is all about the "What ifs"-that's why we watch the race. Harte, even you indicated that in post #219 about the concern the team had of a crash-CLEARLY a "what if". Maybe it's just the way people in different countries/cultures look at what propels someone into the realm of respectability. For me, I thought Nico truly became a worthy champion that night because he aggressively passed another racer during a highly pressurized situation-not something he's used to (even stated that in an interview), and bravely handled the pressure of a multiple world champion TESTING his worth and capability. I don't know, it's almost like the actions of Hamilton are being equated to a "duel" and instead of Hammy taking 10 steps and turning around to fire, he took eight and shot Rosberg/team in the back! "You broke the rules, Hammy!" This was not a duel, it was a race for one of the championships. |
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to turn the conversation a bit here, given the discussions we have had about some of the other broadcasted messages this season (SV rants for example), is it fair to say that this storm in a teacup, is once again down to the broadcast team's decision to air these messages?
their choice to air it as they did made it sound like Merc was attempting to manipulate the outcome of a drivers title during the last few laps of a title deciding race. between Merc's dominance, the other teams lack of effort this season (other than Force India that is...so awesome this year), a relatively calm season between the only two drivers with a shot of winning etc etc...is a little mystery and drama for the last 10 laps too much to ask for? did they really have to air these messages? perhaps it would not have made any difference in how the post race discussions have taken played out but it is often said 'that ignorance is bliss' and i think this is one of those times. have your team orders if you must but keep it out of the race...I dont want to see how the sausage is made thank you very much! |
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And there you have what seems to largely be the root of the debate....... (Which I regret to say is so often the case when two drivers are being compared in F1 discussions). |
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That is a spoilt brat speaking, just like a kid that can't score a goal saying that he isn't going to play anymore, and what's more, he's taking his ball away. And even Rosberg has now admitted that he didn't know just how far Hamilton was prepared to take his actions as he had become so unpredictable, and whether he might try to take him out just to spite him. |
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The only way this race was going to get more spiced up was if it was Max defending his WDC!! Looking forward to that one!! |
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in private he may hold different feelings, but publicly he has in no way said anything which would add fire to this story. in fact he has gone out of his way to try to quell it. which is why so many people are speaking to the level of NR's character...he is too mature to keep this story going. unless of course he is, several days later, still crying about what LH did to him...which of course would then make him the spoiled child right? |
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Hamiltons actions are so unpredictable that everyone predicted it. If you read that enough times it becomes deep and meaningful. And unpredictable.
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apologies, i stand corrected.
sad to hear Nico take it to that level. very out of character for him but there you have it. i guess Merc now have two drivers who both lack humility in victory or grace in defeat. |
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let me apologize for those last two posts...was being more sarcastic then anything else and have now thought better of it.
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1 Dec 2016, 22:56 (Ref:3692835) | #265 | |
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Hamilton has been very difficult to like lately. My views on him have changed dramatically since 2014. So no, that doesn't have to be the root of the debate. Maybe for some it is, but generally the causality could be running the other way.
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No problem, chilli
Unfortunately, the situation that Rosberg finds himself in is that the media, not just the sporting side either, appear to think along the same lines as me, and as a result they are putting huge pressure on the poor bloke to dump on Hamilton, for which I don't blame them. But it's making life somewhat difficult for Rosberg, as I cannot remember him ever really having a huge dig at Hamilton and now he's almost being forced to cast Hamilton as the evil Red Baron - hold on a mo, I seem to have got the nationalities the wrong way round. I think that Rosberg will be just as happy as Hamilton when the furore has all blown away, and he can just enjoy his championship win in peace. |
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This must have been on Rosberg's mind as he clearly had the pace to at least challenge Lewis when he was running 3 seconds a lap of his normal pace, but chose to stay away. |
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Hamitlon brought back my interest in F1, after the monotony of the Schumacher years but my view of him started to change when he was penalised at the 2011 Monaco GP and 'played the race card', which I thought was unnecessary and though he played it down as a joke, that wasn't the issue for me. What I didn't like was the petulance that went with it and that has become an ever present trait with Hamilton when things don't go his way.
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But as you say, it's his petulance that really grates, and we are mere outside observers. Can you imagine what it must be like to be his team-mate, or possibly worse, his engineers and team bosses. They have to live with it, and try to somehow contain it from adversely affecting the whole team. And (conspiracy theory coming) it makes me wonder whether this year's change of engineering personnel within the race team wasn't brought about because some of Hamilton's side felt that they had had enough of his throwing his toys out of the pram. |
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Petulant?
Spoilt? Bad Loser? Ruthless? Divisive? Sounds like pretty much every single multiple WDC we have had over the last 20 years. |
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i can assure you that in his earlier days he was never petulent. expectant of the huge future that awaited him, sure. in his younger years his successes were always mentioned in the same sentence as his apparently 'fortunate' situation with mclaren. i saw the same insecurities in him as i see in other drivers terrified of losing their backing or having lost it, afraid that if they're not 100% physically and mentally ready 100% of the time they'll be overlooked.
i don't think it's petulence now. it's the same stuff i see day in day out from most men - underdeveloped and ignored emotional maturity resulting in snap impulse reactions. |
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He wears his heart on his sleeve and that has certainly meant he will go out and give it a good go in the race
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2 Dec 2016, 17:51 (Ref:3693124) | #274 | ||
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Good comments Bella, I tend to agree re male insecurity. A man who is totally secure will often be said to be arrogant, but even that could be the same male insecurity.
Interesting comments, Lewis has just said it is the first time in 18 years the Nico has won a championship in which they both competed. I think this is the same underlying trait. I do wish he had not said it because there are many on the forums that will jump on it as "evidence" of ............. |
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