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10 Aug 2013, 21:32 (Ref:3288123) | #2826 | |
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But private hybrid will not get any weight or increased flow help in the rules as it will run to the same ERS n MJ rules than all manufacturer entries. The "No ERS" option is the one that is tailored for privateers.
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11 Aug 2013, 03:48 (Ref:3288198) | #2827 | |
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I dont get what youre talking about. Hpd are going to show the new car soon. So it exists and will be available. It will not have a hybrid system in 2014 so it will be less weight.
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11 Aug 2013, 04:35 (Ref:3288205) | #2828 | |
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I bolded some part of your quote, that may have been confusing but you were talking about Rebellion & Lola.
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11 Aug 2013, 08:10 (Ref:3288235) | #2829 | |
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I was only making a relation statement. Another user said Strakka shouldn't use the 2014 car and keep the current hpd. I said that would be like Rebellion keeping the lola. Not that the lola or current Hpd car will be less weight etc. The difference is the new car is developed for these rules unlike the cars theyre running now.
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31 Aug 2013, 18:13 (Ref:3296631) | #2830 | |
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http://www.racer.com/pickett-intrigu...rticle/309697/
Greg Pickett confirms that his negotiations with HPD to run the 2014 LMP1 fell through. So Strakka is the only semi-confirmed team so far. |
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31 Aug 2013, 18:51 (Ref:3296666) | #2831 | |
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Basically confirming he will go to Indy Car. Blah, thats sad.
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31 Aug 2013, 18:53 (Ref:3296669) | #2832 | |
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Racer magazine's report for today made it sound like he was enjoying the Indy experience and might be considering a sportscar break.
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31 Aug 2013, 18:58 (Ref:3296674) | #2833 | |
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Such a shame. MM is the only lmp1 private team that can beat rebellion #12 in a fierce battle.
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31 Aug 2013, 19:03 (Ref:3296675) | #2834 | |
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31 Aug 2013, 19:10 (Ref:3296679) | #2835 | |
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Greg Pickett doesn't want to race in Europe and he doesn't like NASCAR rules and leadership but he would race the HPD ARX-04A if HPD paid the bills.
HPD wasn't going to pay the bills so here comes Muscle Milk Indy! They might also do all the WEC races in the US next year with their ARX-03 if it doesn't clash with the Indy schedule. |
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31 Aug 2013, 19:12 (Ref:3296680) | #2836 | |
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beat them? both rebellion lola crashed and spent hours to be repaired... at 17th hour of race rebellion #13 was 3 laps ahead strakka hpd.
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31 Aug 2013, 19:14 (Ref:3296682) | #2837 | |
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A win is a win. They beat them before then as well. So Rebellion is not only beatable by MMilk, thats the point.
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31 Aug 2013, 19:17 (Ref:3296687) | #2839 | |
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They own it
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31 Aug 2013, 23:50 (Ref:3296901) | #2842 | |
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DP/P2 was mentioned in that article. Almost feels like some rather see MM go IndyCar than DP/P2 so that they won't lose their main playing card against USCR?
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1 Sep 2013, 08:52 (Ref:3296999) | #2844 | |
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enemy, competitor, rival... you know what I mean. And again strakka won, but didn't really beat his competitor because lola rebellion were a lot faster. 2010 LM audi lmp1, saleen gt1 and porsche gt2 "underdog" wins have been achieved in the same way. None is saying that strakka didn't deserve to win, but they simply could not win against rebellion if both lola didn't crash. Simple. Different points of view, but I guess is done with this.
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Racing is not about being fast in a certain period, it's about being the one who is the fastest over the full race distance. |
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3 Sep 2013, 16:32 (Ref:3298392) | #2846 | ||
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I think the point here is that the previous HPD was slower than the Lola/Toyota combination on outright speed. This despite the Lola being nearly half the price. I'm not saying anything about wins, teams or anything else, but purely on outright pace, the Lola has been the quicker car.
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3 Sep 2013, 16:41 (Ref:3298396) | #2847 | |
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Not always the winner is the one who has been the fastest one during the full race distance. Reliability is a key factor. Watch LM2010 and you will see, peugeot domination for hours but audi with a 3-5 seconds slower car won the race because better reliability. Spa 24H 2010 is another great example, AF Corse 430 GT2 and BMW M3 were the fastest cars, but BMS 997 GT3RSR won the race, far from being the fastest car in grid. Endurance is magic because victory is give in my opinion by 50% from performace, 35% from reliability, 15% from luck! you can win also being slower without facing stronger rivals during the race. Basicly is what happened to strakka racing this year, slower than both lola rebellion but anyway they won the "lmp1 private sub-class" as consequence of both lola rebellion crashes.
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3 Sep 2013, 17:02 (Ref:3298405) | #2848 | ||
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Let us ask, if you are looking at buying a new chassis, from someone charging nearly double the other options, and it's wins were achieved by crashes from it's faster competitor... how appealing is it to go in that direction?
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3 Sep 2013, 17:14 (Ref:3298408) | #2849 | |
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Sincerly I don't think this is the point for 3 reasons.
1 crashes are common during races, also strakka could have a collision and retire after that. 2 quality of the team, MM with the same strakka package defeated twice rebellion. If Strakka racing is not as competive as MM with the same package, you have to blame the team not the car. 2,5 Sincerly I don't know the price of an arx-03a-c and the price of the lola b12/60 + engine. Each team is free to choice the car they wish, paying the price that is required. Both cars are the best private lmp1 available so far... for sure I would like to buy an arx-03c or a lola b12/60 than to purchase an oak 01 lmp1. |
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2. Team doesn't matter so much, as Rebellion have shown to have speed over both MM and Strakka. 3. HPD ARX-03C is $2.5 million, Lola B12/6X is $1.1 million with the Mazda engine, tack on a bit more for the Toyota, but we are still around half the price. I just haven't seen the value in the extra $1.25 million +. |
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