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According to this Autosport article, http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/136222, what Mercedes asked, in the original letter sent to Charlie Whiting was:
"With the exception of transformer oils used within ERS cooling circuits, and hydraulic oils used for PU actuators (both of which should have zero consumption in operation), do all oils (and specifically, any oil used in the pressure charging [turbocharger] system) used in the power unit need to comply with article 20?" Whiting replied: "All oils used in the engine must comply with article 20 of the F1 technical regulations. The turbocharger is considered part of the engine." Mercedes's second question was: "If the answer to Q1 is 'yes', does it therefore follow that the combined oil consumption of all the power unit oils must respect the 0.6lts/100km limit referenced within TD/012-17?", referring to previous technical directives about oil consumption. Whiting replied: "Yes". |
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23 May 2018, 18:23 (Ref:3824271) | #2852 | |
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That’s better, Merc are right to ask. But that’s the trouble with PUs, be better if it was just about oil
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23 May 2018, 22:22 (Ref:3824310) | #2855 | |
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So just making sure the rules seem right to them. I really wish we could concentrate more on what’s happening on track
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24 May 2018, 08:26 (Ref:3824361) | #2859 | ||
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And further news to Ferrari's suspected cheating, from Thursday until race completion, both Ferrari cars will be fitted with devices that will monitor the Ferrari ERS system, as it has been under suspicion for a while now.
Ferrari obviously were not very keen on fitting the monitoring system to their cars, but the FiA insisted that they must do so. IMO, monitoring the ERS on a track like Monaco is completely useless. How about the FiA monitor the Ferrari ERS at Spa. That should bring to life what many teams have been saying in the last few rounds, that being the Ferrari ERS system is suspect. |
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24 May 2018, 09:42 (Ref:3824364) | #2860 | ||
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I would like to see 2 points bonus for pole and 1 for fastest lap in race.
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'The FIA [...] points out there is nothing illegal about the architecture of the Ferrari system – and that if any team is convinced that something illicit is going on, it should lodge a formal protest' Quote:
Are you Lauda's alter ego? 'questions raised by Mercedes’ Niki Lauda.' 'This is what has been vexing Lauda who has been quite outspoken in his calling for the FIA to make a ruling' |
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26 May 2018, 12:36 (Ref:3824751) | #2863 | |
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The trolling is getting boring now. Seems every thread is now just a case of F1Guy pushing an agenda. The posts don't even fit the links being posted.
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27 May 2018, 02:07 (Ref:3824849) | #2865 | |
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Don't go to the sportscar side, it's even worse with 2 people constantly pushing their personal agenda complete with false stats and weblinks often show the opposite what they claim. Sadly I think tenths won't last another 24 months as it has been and my motorsports news source will have to change again
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27 May 2018, 05:13 (Ref:3824857) | #2866 | |
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Teams agree to dump the MGU-H for the good of the sport
http://www.f1reader.com/list/news/la...ort-039-198127 Fuel limitations are also going to be dropped apparently, can only hope. Budget caps also being revisited, $150 million a year being touted in the face of Merc opposition to the limit saying it is too low! If you are paying Lewis $40 million a year, I guess you are not left with much! Nice to see Liberty and the FIA standing firm and forcing through necessary changes. |
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Why not monitor the cars during qualifying and the race? And why monitor at Monaco? Probably the only track on the calendar where outright HP makes the least impact. Strange decision by the FiA. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mo...-idUKKCN1IR0SB |
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27 May 2018, 07:23 (Ref:3824866) | #2868 | |
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You cannot ask a team to install additional hardware during qualifying or race, a time when the additional weight gives a performance disadvantage. Either everyone has it, or nobody has it, similar to the dummy cameras. Realistically, practice is the only fair time to do that kind of spot checking.
Also, given the ERS strengths are underbraking and acceleration, not outright HP numbers and top speeds, Monaco is a perfectly reasonable circuit to run this monitoring system on. Silverstone is actually one of the worst for ERS as the cars struggle to recover all the energy required for a full recharge due to the lack of decent braking zones. |
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Obviously they've gained enough data to determine how the Ferrari ERS works, and that the battery arrangement (which complies fully with regulations) does not operate in a non-compliant manner. |
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Some comments from Charlie Whiting on the investigation.
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This is a can of worms is it not? If the FiA are satisfied no "cheating" is taking place, then why the need for further monitoring down the track, by which, prolonging the cheating rumours in the paddock further into the season?? What would happen if the FiA were to find something that is deemed not legal further down the calendar? Would they then act on their findings and possibly disqualify Ferrari from the championship(s)?? I highly doubt it, specially if Ferrari are in a tight battle for the championship(s). Bad decision by the FiA. They should've said the investigation is complete, no further action. By saying the FiA may continue to monitor Ferrari's ERS system, leaves the door open for further questioning IMO. |
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There was never an investigation, and the only claim of cheating was made on this forum. They took the decision to install a monitoring device just to back up the assessment of compliance they had already reached. No harm in applying a confidence check - it's regular practice in engineering work. He then raises the possibility of a future monitoring device, which I would imagine is so that it will be easier to refute allegations in future, not to uncover a breach of regulations. Is it so hard to accept that if CW is content, then the ridiculous allegations of cheating can stop - not repeatedly trolled out here? |
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Ferrari are just using the rules to their best advantage and Charlie Whiting is happy for them. No proof of cheating here
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27 May 2018, 10:09 (Ref:3824897) | #2873 | ||
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Should return to proper engines, 3litre V8s then Ferrari can run their 4l version at Monza like the old days.
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I don't have access to the SkyF1 telecast atm, but apparently Martin had said Ferrari were most likely doing something illegal, also said something along the lines of the FiA has swept it under the carpet for the benefit of the sport (??). Nico Rosberg also commented on the issue apparently?
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