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Let's just take a minute to realise how lucky we are to have this ITV4 coverage. When I started watching when I was a nipper in the mid 90s we used to usually have to wait a week before we got, say about 45 minutes of highlights. Now we've not only got all the 30 BTCC races, but also shows the support races live too. No longer do we have to avoid Motorsport publications in case we see the result. For people like me on Freeview this and F1 are the only motorsport I can regularly watch same day as the event. For a lot of us, if the coverage was at least half like it was two decades ago, it would been so much better
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Not quite - Blancpain is streamed on their website so you can watch that and also the N24 was streamed on radiolemans website. British GT has been live on Freeview (I think 'Frontrunner' was the Channel - I'd never heard of it either!). But yes - if you've only got Freeview you do have dig a bit deeper to find the motorsport!
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ELMS - YouTube & Dailymotion IMSA - on Radiolemans.com N24/VLN - Youtube & radiolemans.com SuperGT - Youtube Bathurst 12 - Youtube British GT - Youtube (same channel as Blancpain, as it's SRO) ADAC GT Masters - own site (German only I think) These are all free, and available on YouTube for most of them. Some others like FIA WEC aren't free. If you don't own a smart TV, but want YouTube on your TV, consider picking up a PS3 or Xbox 360 for £20 on eBay (the old Wii no longer supports it). They support HD YouTube and streams as good as any TV Channel. If you have an Xbox One or PS4 then you can use that. There's also lots of things like Kodi boxes and other mini android devices that'll work. Do not underestimate just how much live motorsport there is on YouTube. It's a fantastic time to be a motorsport fan. Just right now I'm watching Blancpain live. The coverage is fantastic. |
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but thats why those series audiences are so small and they dont have any real public profile apart from just 'enthusiasts'. people have to search around trying to find them on the internet.
i think what the previous poster meant is that we are very lucky to have such a big free to air mainstream tv coverage and the big audience numbers it brings because thats what makes the series successful and brings sponsors in. not forgetting btcc can also be watched live and highlights on web streaming anyway. |
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3 Jun 2017, 16:27 (Ref:3738338) | #281 | ||
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take any GT championship today and compare it to BPR Global GT from 1995-1996 for example, the BPR Global GT had large grids a very big diversity in cars , no fancy electronics or aero , etc and small companies could build their own car and be resonably succesful in it like the DeTomaso Pantera of ADA Engineering or the Group C monsters from the 80s compared to modern LMP, same story who doesn't love those 956/962 no rear diff, H shifter, over 750 BHP, no electronics and no fancy aero either, you had to be a real man (and somewhat insane) to drive those things to the max https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P1QmCswql0 |
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Of course back in the day, these series wouldn't have been on TV anyway. We would never have had full live coverage of all of these series in the 80s, 90s or even 00s. Now not only do we get the coverage, it's all live and almost all free. It's a brilliant time to be a motorsport fan IMO. Sportscar racing has fully embraced the internet age, and BTCC has made the most of TV too. |
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5 Jun 2017, 07:53 (Ref:3738722) | #284 | ||
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It's like the whole talking to babies thing, you should talk to them like they're adults as their brains will pick stuff up, retain it and eventually regurgitate it. If you go in all GOO GOO, GAH GAH, then how do they learn. This is how I feel about young adults today, the whole world seems to educate them with dumbed down talent show nonsense and they don't learn anything useful. Ooh, you know all the words to Justin Bieber, but can you change a light bulb? Not so long back I remember Tim Harvey explaining, mid-race, the difference between the WSR and Motorbase BMW E90s. How one was running different dampers, then how one was lighter because they opted for a H-pattern shifter vs. a sequential box, now that's interesting and something that people can learn from. It's be a great feature if each round they looked at the various aspects of an NGTC car, even if they just did a 10min slot on the subframe, the roll cage, the brakes etc, just to drip feed in a bit of information, it can still be a bit dumbed down if they like, I mean they don't have to explain the metal composition of a brake disc or the spring rates but just to show people how the things are put together would be great! |
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I think you're off on a bit of a tangent there. The bulk of the TV audience also includes everybody who is older, not just teenagers. The fact is, the majority of people are not interested in technical details, and that's how it's always been. If you go back 20 years to 1997, ITV were doing the F1 and it was extremely dumbed down, and these "limp wristed teens" weren't even born then. Silly dumbed down TV has existed for decades because that's what a lot of people want.
We're in this ridiculous situation where we give kids exams and when they get great results, we pretend the exams are easier and say that kids don't have real world skills. Well changing a tyre is a great skill to have, it's not going to pay the bills. But programming does, and it pays pretty well too. Teens of today are no different to the teens of before. Some can change tyres. Some cannot. Some can program. Some cannot. Some like physical things. Some do not. Everyone is different. TV has never changed - technical stuff has always been niche, otherwise a documentary about a Le Mans team would get more views than X-Factor. Last edited by Akrapovic; 5 Jun 2017 at 08:25. |
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Sorry, it just hit a sore spot, the point I'm making is that that everything is dumbed down and these teenagers grow up to be adults with no knowledge of anything. And whilst I totally get the whole people have different interests thing, it just seems that a lot of my peers have little technical/mechanical knowledge of how the world works. My brother-in-law for example is a accomplished accountant, but can't even build a Lego model for his 4 year old and lets his wife do all the DIY as he doesn't know one end of a hammer from another, watching him use a screwdriver is like watching an ape operate a typewriter! The worry is, his two boys will grow up even worse and pretty soon we'll loose a lot of skilled people. It just seems so biased that a talent show can go into every sordid detail about some wannabe pop star's life, yet a show about racing cars can't even explain the difference between two models of car never mind give any behind the scenes detail beyond the celeb-like rivalries! |
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I watch the BTCC and free via the ITV website, or the ITV Hub app, so quite literally no idea what your point is. Onwards. |
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Dan Lloyd out at 888!
Wonder if it's a repeat of the sponsor issues he had at Eurotech? |
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Gutted for Daniel. He's a quick driver (as shown in the Eurotech Honda), and hasn't been helped at all by the very poor MG.
Be interesting to see who replaces him. Who is out of a drive and might fancy it? Doesn't look hugely appealing to me. |
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Beginning of the end for 888? Likewise, it'll be interesting to see who will replace him... |
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The last remnant of Triple Eight dissolved two weeks ago. It's very much Warren Scott's B-Team now.
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In the event of a severely damaged car - who is liable for funding a replacement? Plato has been unable to generate enough backing for a replacement Subaru, and the overall 888/BMR effort seems to be operating on less than all cylinders at the moment. It does not look good for the long term prospects: They seem to be short of testing, lacking the capability to replace damaged cars and now down a good driver too. |
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Still there for me.
He just put this on Twitter: "Just to clarify the decision wasn't made because of financial situations. The story may be a tad confusing but I wanted to clear things up." Can't be encouraging for ATS either |
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It does make you wonder who will have the funds to jump in to an underperforming car, with little chance of success part way through the season.
Dan has said "I was so excited to have joined the MG line-up for 2017. Unfortunately the results have led to us already losing a number of sponsors for this season, and this has forced us to make the very difficult decision to walk away from the BTCC for the time-being." Dan has said the withdrawal was not the result of financial issues. He said in the press release quoted above, he has already lost a number of sponsors for this season. Sponsors pay money to have their names on the car, or on drivers apparel. How is losing sponsors not financial? I wonder if Dan has said it is not financial as a way of trying to prevent 888 losing their TBL if they fail to fill the seat for this weekend. Financial issues cannot be used as a case of 'force majeure' which results in a team not entering their full compliment of cars for a meeting. Last edited by mark_l; 5 Jun 2017 at 18:57. |
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Press release here:http://mailchi.mp/9548ab0e7d68/danie...e?e=3949855668
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If the sponsors don't want their reputation tarnished by associated with a poorly performing car they stop paying Dan money, Dan can't afford the seat without the sponsors money therefore it is a financial situation and not force majeure.
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