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I'm with you, wondering why all the hatred. But guess it is easy to spend someone else's money. It seems like everyone thinks Nissan should just be shoveling money in like it is raining from the sky without a single accountant in the company. You give Nissan a chance to get involved in marketable ways and they might stick around long term. But then I've always been confused about why people who ***** so much about why everything sucks and it will never be as good as it was keep following just to cry??
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And what purpose would that serve Nissan? Let's go whole hog and take on three of the most matured sportscar entities in the world with our tiny budget that we had to beg and plead for and now we have all the pressure and none of the tools to win. That's as ludicrous as an National F3 driver with two years experience turning up to a driver shootout with 2 world champions and the top rookie after wasting all the energy to round up the sponsors necessary to get that test. Unless they could get a Dome and a Signature to design and run the thing at basically quid pro quo rates, then it's going to be a failure. |
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If you want to race in F1 you have to build a F1 car. That's how it is...this Garage 56 is really backfiring as it gives manufactures the chance to participate in a event without actually participating in it. |
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2014 LMP1 is all about hybrids - that only works as a tech showcase IF YOU BUILD HYBRIDS.
Happy for you to carry on agreeing how outrageous this all is and ignoring the realities of life that unless Nissan can persuade the rulemakers to open up the LMP1 rules to wider tech solutions they can't unlock the budgets to come - Garage 56 in 2014 is the key to that. If you choose to see it as a standalone marketing exercise then prepare to be wrong! |
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26 Feb 2013, 02:29 (Ref:3210938) | #286 | |
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Varying length, we have seen anything from two to 15 years.
What exactly leads you to believe that Nissan's approach leads to a longer program? They get the marketing gain up front..why buy the cow if you can have the milk for free? |
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I don't believe it will lead to a longer one. It will lead to a cheaper one.
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When their P1 chassis is starting development THEN I will get excited. For now let's hope this is genuinely a project to develop an engine for their entry into LMP1. And let's hope that comes sooner rather than later. |
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That's as maybe - but they already build and sell all electric - the article you link to talks of lower than hoped for sales - a succesful racing programme might be just the thing to change that - In not a disimilar way as Audi achieved with TDI, changing the public image of an unfashionable tech solution.
Honestly guys you can choose to see this as some sort of cloak and dagger non programme if you wish, but you'd be wrong. |
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So to summarize, they are going to run an engineering exercise to try and convince the ACO to change their rules, to accommodate something in the future maybe. I wish them luck, I'd love to see Nissan do something in Endurance Racing in one of the top classes. Shame on the ACO for once again creating a set of rules preventing greatness. Hybrid, the new Diesel.
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I commend Nissan insofar as opening up the top class to even more innovation is a laudable goal, but I'm less excited about a tech demonstrator and a "maybe, when it is suitable" statement about LMP1 than an actual competition car of any sort. I realize that every program is a "maybe" until the car hits the track (see the old Porsche LMP900) but I was a lot more excited by Porsche's 2014 P1 announcement way back when than by this.
I think the problem here stems partly from the fact that Nissan's already milked the G56 thing with the Delta Wing, which really thickens the patina of marketing over competition. Kudos to them for their P2 engines and GT Academy, which means they aren't just milking the LM press machine without contributing to the racing. Still, I think a factory GTE program would have been a good-faith investment in the ACO since the GT3 car is just an SRO machine. If they see the KERS powerplants in the RB F1 cars as a better fit for Infiniti's hybrid marketing, that's fine too. Should they bring a P1 to the table, especially a truly radical one, I'll be among the first to jump for joy. For now, I feel we're being sold futures under the expectation that we'll react as though we've been sold the commodity. I don't think that flies in this day and age. |
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