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21 Mar 2004, 23:04 (Ref:914419) | #276 | ||
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That's 38 BT29 drivers!! If only 29 were built, there must have been quite a bit of sharing going on. Or maybe Wayne Mitchell wasn't the only one with an upgraded BT21 or BT28.
Team Suzy in Sandusky would be Suzy Dietrich. Allen |
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23 Mar 2004, 09:04 (Ref:916163) | #277 | ||
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Fred Opert may have run a BT21 rather than a BT29 at R1 Riverside. That reduces by one. Like you I think that Randy and John Lewis may be the same person, or else relatives sharing a car. Chris |
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24 Mar 2004, 09:04 (Ref:917582) | #278 | |
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What about the BT28s !!!! I have just re -read the last 12 pages and NO mention. Lets start again and try and sort them out > I have lots of gaps. Im sure by the time I have sorted out my chassis list out someone willhave started the ball rolling. Do you think we should start another thread from scratch ??
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24 Mar 2004, 12:49 (Ref:917795) | #279 | ||
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Chassis numbers known in period 1: March 1969 Tim Schenken. 1970 Jacky Berenger 2: Mike Beuttler, 1970 Jim Edwards 3 Jean-Pierre Cassegrain, retained 1970 4 Ulf Svensson retained 1970? 5 Keith Jupp 8 Not known till 1971 then Tom Belso for F3 and Atlantic, used early 72 9 Thorodsson, retained 1970. 1971 Sandy Shephard to Stan Matthews, 1972 Mo Harness 12: Jeff Uren hire car 16: Bev Bond 18: Not known till 1970, then Alan Harvey. 1971 Tony Huggett 20 Replacement car for Beuttler, used two races only. 1970 Mike Stow, retained early 71 then to Alan Joy. 1972 to Spencer Elton then to Dick Barker for Atlantic 23 Replacement car for Schenken late season. 1970 Keith Wright, still for sale by him Maay 71 33 1970 Torsten Palm 40 1970 Bob Wolleck 42 1970 Vic Preston Chris |
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Shepherd came over and raced in British F3 in 1971
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24 Mar 2004, 17:44 (Ref:918168) | #282 | |
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28-6 Andy Sutcliffe. 28-10Sold new Sweden.28-11 Dr Erlich. 28-14 Bob Wolleck. 28-15 Sweden.28-16 Tony Trimmer.28-17 Harry Stiller,Peter Hull later Kidsley and Squires on hills with special 750cc BDA.28-19 Dick James.28-21 John Gillmister. 28-22 Italy.28-24 Italy.28-25 Team Airo.28-26 Harry Stiller.28-27 Switzerland. 28-28.France.28-30 Sweden.28-32 Sweden.28-33.Sweden (troberg) 28-34 Stubbs
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24 Mar 2004, 17:47 (Ref:918171) | #283 | |
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28-35Tom Belso ??28-38.Italy.28-40 Bob Wolleck.28-41 Italy. 28-42 EastAfrica.28-43 Sweden.
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25 Mar 2004, 04:58 (Ref:918733) | #284 | ||
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How many BT28's were built in 1969? Or put another way what was the first chassis number built in 1970?
If #23 was a 1969 car & #33 a 1970 production, I assume it lies between the two. Andrew |
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25 Mar 2004, 08:23 (Ref:918820) | #285 | |
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Andrew. The total production run was 42 cars (no 13) the last chassis being No 43. The 1970 series starting at 26.Although as usual some 1970 series cars carried 69 series Arch Motors Nos eg BT28-30 has AM69-43.
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Ted's extensive list means that we can extend and tidy up some histories for cars where I had ownership trails but not chassis numbers:
16: If this was Trimmer's RCI car in 1970, in 1971 it goes to Brian McGuire and would seem to be the BT28 used in Libre in 1973 by Geoff Lambert 25: Although built 1969 I think this debuts early 1970 with Alan McCully as driver, [entered by AIRO]. 1971 Alan Jones, then 1974-75 the car shared by Paul Butler and Evan Clements in Atlantic and Libre races. 6: John Gillmeister has a BT28 in 1970 F3 and 1971 Atlantic that is described as ex Sutcliffe, so could be this car. The complication is that Gillmeister has chassis 21 in 1969, so what happened to that? Roger Hurst, who regularly attends this forum, used to run Gillmeister. Any memories Roger? Chris |
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25 Mar 2004, 12:36 (Ref:919056) | #287 | ||
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Ted, you say it went to Peter Hull. Was this in 1971. I have Hull's car that year as ex Richard Scott/John Kendall in 1970, but didn't know the first owner. Chris |
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26 Mar 2004, 08:44 (Ref:919887) | #289 | |
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CHRIS. I have 17 as 1970 Harry Stiller Raced by Kendall and Scott.1971 London and Derby Motor Auctions/Peter Hull. 1972 Bob Shellard F3 mainly in Europe . 1974 bought by Kidsley and Squires. ANDREW where did 28-23 come from ????
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26 Mar 2004, 08:46 (Ref:919889) | #290 | |
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ANDREW. Next time you see 28-23 Id love the AM No off the back ,or if you are talking to the owner get him to contact me.
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26 Mar 2004, 08:53 (Ref:919892) | #291 | |
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CHRIS. The Tom Belso car. You reckon 8 I think 35.Also the Trimmer car I have it as 16 what do you think ??? and who owns them now ????
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Haven't got my records to hand, but I always thought Belso's BT28/35 was a BT28/BT35???
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26 Mar 2004, 09:34 (Ref:919911) | #293 | ||
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Ted,
The chassis no. 8 for Belso comes from the Motoring News race report for the Mallory F2 meeting.[Think this is right, I'm at college and all my notes are at home] I know that F1R put the car as 35, but I think that this is a confusion with the car often being described as a BT28/35 - as a hybrid of the two models because Belso owned it so long. I used to have a similar problem the Peter Hull car, thinking it was 28-30 and only finding out from an ad in Feb 72 that the car was a BT28 with, by then, a BT30 chassis. Chris |
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26 Mar 2004, 10:09 (Ref:919929) | #294 | ||
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Ted I wont see 28-23 till Queensland Raceway in July, see what I can do in the meantime.
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28 Mar 2004, 09:17 (Ref:921842) | #295 | ||
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Ted and Chris.
RE. BT28-23 still for sale by Wright Autosport 3/6/1971 . I rang Robert Foster who crawled around with torch and he advises AM 69-73. Car was purchased from Straight Six [ dealer ] circa 1990 , by Steve Farrell on behalf of his brother Chris. The only other known , and I am pretty sure thats it, is BT28-20 , which has been here since circa 1973. AM- 69-38. Given the above 3 ch. numbers apart and a hell of a lot of AM numbers different , maybe a replacement chassis into BT28-23 , the car carries ch. pl. 28-23 and had it when it arrived over here from the U.K. Ted , do you have a query. Bryan. |
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Ted do you have any BT29 AM numbers?
Could it be that the reason that there is such a large gap fom BT28-20 to 23 is that the numbers may be taken by the BT29's? or, Bob Ilich tells me that when a bent chassis arrived on Monday morning, the parts needed were taken out of stock. Beuttler's replacement chassis may well have been in stock for several weeks where as Tim's had to come from Arch. How's that? Andrew (the old frames were thrown onto the heap outside the back door. Bob did think about doing a salvage operation as these frames went to the rubbish dump). Last edited by Andrew Fellowes; 28 Mar 2004 at 23:25. |
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Any ideas as to the number of David Purley's BT28, and who had it after Purley finished with it?
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Spent the weekend digging on BT28s in Motoring News and can add the following:
Ulf Svensson buys a new car for 1970 but keeps his old one [chassis 4] and runs it for Conny Andersson. Chassis 28 [France] in Ted's records is presumably the car debuted by Jean Blanc at Pau in 1970, after he's been out since June 69 Rouen race. Purley's car is a 1970 build. After Purley finished with it it went racing F.Atlantic for several seasons. Chris |
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30 Mar 2004, 04:22 (Ref:923563) | #299 | |
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The AM No on 28-23 is the same as I have.The car was owned here in the UK by Rob Grant who also owned a BT8 and a BT33 that he brought back from S Africa. I also agree with 28-20. Andrew yes I do have a lot of BT29 AM No s but as we all know there is no way of tying them up with a BT No
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BT28-6 was originaly driven by Andy Sutcliff with a degree of works help and some from us at Lenham Hurst Racing. We all thought Andy had huge potential after his time in the G4. BT28-6 ended its days cartwheeling though Paddock! BT28-21 was acquired to replace -6. At the end of the season Andy was offered a Lotus Components 59 and continued on his self destructive way, what a waste. John Gillmeister did a race/ lease/ purchase deal with me for -21 and gave me a drive in the car for the Motor Show 200 in October 1970. John then converted -21 to a BT29 for the opening season of Formula Atlantic. The remains of -6 were pressed into use in the original Lenham Repco V8 and the frame was used to form body moulds for our bag tank conversions for the 1971 season. Its still stacked up with all the rest of the stuff from that era of my life. A fantastic period!!! |
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