March 782

[dfr]

The car in blue in the text can be our car !?
Sorry for the faults in the text.

Fabian

[driftwood]

Dan if u look at 1979 Cheever in osella was at the front in many races and i think should have won
Surer won in the donkey 792 by default

Rad dougall had GE pods on 79 car but wide nose? i dont think it was flat floor car

Fabian 782#12 ran in some 78 races and some 79 races
Henton used ralt rt2 in most races but did run march at 1 poss 2 events
the GE cars where new and lessons where being learnt that year
1980 most designers had it sussed by then
also for 1979 toleman had works Hart deal as oppossed to a "customer" BMW deal in 78

[S2Lola]

Hello,

Have blasted through this thread, and have a headache. Where do you guys find the grey matter to store this much data?????

FWIW, I own a 78B (have for several years now), and if I remember will post the tub number tomorrow. It was one of Bill Brack's 2 78Bs he used that season (confirmed two years ago by Bill himself). Both cars wore STP sponsorship. The primary car is owned by Steve Hynes in the USA, and is actively historic raced. My car was the secondary car which saw a bit of use by Brack but also served as a rental to (wait for it).....Jacques Villenueve (the brother of Gilles) for one race. Also rented by a local driver of Asian ancestry for a support race in Long Beach.

My chassis went on to 2 litre can am form (Hart), known as the Photon. Post its racing career, it was found in a barn I'm guessing 5-6 years ago by the previous owner (without Photon body or Hart - damn) in an ugly state of disrepair.

I have restored the car, and occaisionally historic race it in Canada.

Cheers,
Bill Tebbutt
bill.tebbutt@nbfinancial.com

[driftwood]

Bill we are all sad lonely people with no friends so plenty of room to store race car info
Interesting yr car was 1 of those can am march cars
allen brown will be delighted 2 can am marches in 1 week

[S2Lola]

Hopefully this posts. Circa 1985, at Mosport.

[Dan Rear]

Drifty, I can recall the 79 F2 season very well, it was a big year for me in many ways!!

Cheever was generally quick all year, but his 3 wins (2 in the very wet) were due as much to the Pirellis he was on, as much as he or the car. I still think Henton could have got enough points early on to have withstood any challenge from the 792 as they got sorted later on.

The Toleman 782s were flat bottomed, with pods on, rather than full GE, more like the contemporary 79Bs.

And I have plenty of useless info in my grey matter !

[driftwood]

Toleman also had pirelli advantage in 1980

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Drifty, I can recall the 79 F2 season very well, it was a big year for me in many ways!!

I still think Henton could have got enough points early on to have withstood any challenge from the 792 as they got sorted later on.

Henton through it away at Donington when he spun out of the lead!

[dfr]

A friend of me say dat Dougall as a accident in the "chicane" at Hockenheim, 4" lap, in 78 and that the car was folded. Can you confirm ?

Fabian

[Chris Townsend]

Bill

I know one of Bill Brack's 78Bs went to Jeremy Hill in 1980, while the other went to Bob McGregor of Vancouver, and I think he kept this, updated, until the mid 80s. [though he might have got a 79B instead in about 1982].

Which one was yours? Was the Asian driver Takao Wada [Japanese] who ran a Brack "79B" at Long Beach in 1980 because Villeneuve was injured. Was then meant to run a season with Shierson but the money fell through?

Chris

[Daryl Taylor]

Hi, I bought the car 2 & ½ years ago from Barry Durham in the US who worked for Sasco Motorsport. He owned the cars for about eight years before which it had five other owners of no significance.

As far as I can tell the car was shipped to the US in 1979 straight form the factory where it competed in SCCA events almost every year until 2004 with some success. In fact Barry won the SCCA 70’s Monoposta Championship with it.

Barry then stripped the car in preparation for a total restoration. I bought in pieces and shipped it back to the UK in Feb 2005 since which it has under gone a nut and bolt rebuild and new Racing Fabrications BDA engine.

It has been suggested that the car had in fact gone to South Africa form the factory before going to the US and had been raced by Ian Scheckter, but I have no evidence of this, nor does it fit with the history I have of the car.

[Daryl Taylor]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

There was also a March 78B there driven by Daryl Taylor. Unfortunately, I din't have time to engage either Taylor or the Meyricks in conversation but did get some pictures.

Allen

Hi, I bought the car 2 & ½ years ago from Barry Durham in the US who worked for Sasco Motorsport. He owned the cars for about eight years before which it had five other owners of no significance.

As far as I can tell the car was shipped to the US in 1979 straight form the factory where it competed in SCCA events almost every year until 2004 with some success. In fact Barry won the SCCA 70’s Monoposta Championship with it.

Barry then stripped the car in preparation for a total restoration. I bought in pieces and shipped it back to the UK in Feb 2005 since which it has under gone a nut and bolt rebuild and new Racing Fabrications BDA engine.

It has been suggested that the car had in fact gone to South Africa form the factory before going to the US and had been raced by Ian Scheckter, but I have no evidence of this, nor does it fit with the history I have of the car.

[allenbrown]

Hi Daryl

Welcome - and thanks for the history.

Do you have an ownership history on the car? Do you have the SCCA logbook?

Allen

[Chris Townsend]

Welcome to the forum Daryl,

The ex Ian Scheckter 78B is said to still be in South Africa and was certainly still being used there by Clive Cooke in summer 1979, so it sounds a bit unlikely from what you are saying about the car.

Not many 78Bs went straight into SCCA [aside from Jerry Hansen's]
I'd be surprised if yours didn't have a 1978 pro history prior to SCCA, and perhaps an interesting one.
Can you tell us who the first logged owner was?

Chris

[S2Lola]

Chris,

Sorry for the delay. My car was Brack's spare, went to Hill, became the 2 litre can am car pictured earlier. Your info on the Long Beach driver is likely correct - I had not been able to confirm hhis name before.

Thanks
Bill Tebbutt

[Chris Townsend]

Bill

Many thanks for the confirmation of the car; do you have a contact for Steve Hynes, so that we could get the parallel history of the Brack cars lined up?

Chris

[IANHEB]

Chris,
The ex Ian Scheckter 78B was completely destroyed in a trailer fire in 1980 whilst in the ownership of DAW/Bernard Tilanus.
Regards
Ian

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Westwood appears from mid 80 to mid 81 in what is usually described as a 78B, and in the photos I've seen is usually nicely prepared.
If it was ex Crompton then I think it has to be chassis 782-10, the ex Cramer car as, if my memory is right, Crompton is still using 782-5 in 1980 and that car eventually goes to Keith Cox in 1983. When does Crompton give up on his 782 in 1980? I think Westwood's car is sold to Martin Mansell mid 1981, on the basis of that car's paint scheme.

Chris

There's a good pic of the 1981 Mansell car on the other place, the '1982 British F1 thread'. Taken at the August Banky Brands meet, the car is nicely turned out, and looks like a real 782/78B, rather than a modded 782/79B. Does this rule it out as being the Cramer car 782-10, as IIRC that was extensively updated thru' 79-80?

Could the Mansell car have been the Kirby/Bain one, -14??

[driftwood]

I will ask Martin mansell when i next see him at the races today he races Clubmans cars
who is at BH this weekend bring wellies unbrella and hip flask!

[allenbrown]

Yes, I'll be there. I've just emailed you my mobile number.

Anyone else?

[allenbrown]

We don't seem to have mentioned the 79B driven by George Franchitti in 1980. Anyone know which one it was? I'm posting here because most UK 79Bs seem to have been 782s modded.

[driftwood]

dario`s father or uncle

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

We don't seem to have mentioned the 79B driven by George Franchitti in 1980. Anyone know which one it was? I'm posting here because most UK 79Bs seem to have been 782s modded.

Agreed Allen, I don't think any real 79B has ever raced in the UK.

Could the Franchitti car could have been Jim Stevenson's 782-26, Jim had that one after Adrian Russell, in 1980 and used it in Northen Libre only I think. Its possible he lent it to George F. I can't think of any other 782s up north at that time, or at least circuit racers. Would it have been the Andy B car as an alternative??

[Chris Townsend]

My money would be on Franchitti having the Barton car.
Whilst AB uses his 79B [based on 782-13] at the start of the 1980 season it doesn't appear after the first few races and tellingly at Ingliston, there is Franchitti alongside Cameron Binnie in the Barton 77B.
What's the first recorded use of Franchitti with his car?

chris

[driftwood]

look here this is the car u refer to its also been the basis of another thorny thread discussion
http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/ma...29146138ss.htm