USCC (leave your axe outside)

[canciaro]

Originally Posted by Salamus

We don't know yet. Like you said, with Fox Sports 1 now becoming an all-sport channel, the CRTC may reject it. (It would be great to continue to watch O'toole and Onrait though)

If you check the future advanced listings, Speed will become SPEED CANADA, any racing that would be shown by Fox 1/2 will be shown. When there isnt racing there will be reruns of PINKS, Pimp my Ride, etc. and replays of NASCAR races so far is what Ive seen.

Basically, just watch it on the weekeneds

[Jonerz]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Yes, which would put it around $400k done.

I am working off of ~5 year old information, but DP engines were around $75k. Shouldn't GT motors be less expensive installed?

Chris

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by canciaro

If you check the future advanced listings, Speed will become SPEED CANADA, any racing that would be shown by Fox 1/2 will be shown. When there isnt racing there will be reruns of PINKS, Pimp my Ride, etc. and replays of NASCAR races so far is what Ive seen.

Basically, just watch it on the weekeneds

Thanks, good to know. A shame really, it's basically a dead channel now.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Jonerz

I am working off of ~5 year old information, but DP engines were around $75k. Shouldn't GT motors be less expensive installed?

Chris

You would think, but you would also think the DP motor would cost less too. But I already forget why this is important!

[chernaudi]

I posted this at Motorsports Mayhem (the forum set up by those who separated from the Speed.com forum when it was announced that Speed would be re-branded as Fox Sports 1). It pretty well sums up my feelings on the situation:

"This (6 second gap in laptime between LMP2 and DP at RA) shows that right now that the DPs don't have the aero or mechanical grip or the brakes to keep up with a LMP2, even if the LMP2 is nearly 5-7mph down on speed at the end of the straights. DPs also weigh 200-300 lbs more than A LMP2.

We all know that the Audi R10s where as much faster than the LMP2s at RA down the straights, but they at least had the handling and the brakes to be not at such an insane disadvantage in braking and cornering.

6 seconds is a lot for a DP to make up, and I do hope that some of the proposed solutions that Starworks has touted will bridge that gap, but I'm not quite sure that it will, even if the LMP2s lose time by switching to the GA-spec Continental tires--which have proven to be faster than the Michelin club racing slicks that used to be on the LMPC cars when they switched, though the Contis do wear out much faster.

In the end, it might be cheaper to buy an LMP2 than to invest in new bodywork and aero parts for a DP. An ACO/FIA spec LMP2 that's done to the cost cap formula costs about $480K new, and I can't imagine a new DP being much cheaper. A GAGT car, complete with engine and drive line is over $400 grand. A DP has to be more expensive than that, and probably by a significant margin. Add in the upgrade kit which might run $150-250K, then you have a $600+thousand dollar car that's only as fast as an LMP2.

Granted, that's better than spending $2.5 million on a HPD LMP1 like MMPR does, or whatever the hell it would cost to run an Audi R18 e-tron quattro or a Toyota TS030 hybrid if those were available to private teams. But the cost capping has made LMP2, especially in Europe, look pretty appealing, and it should look appealing now, because either way, money's gonna have to be spent by quite a few guys if they want to be part of the top class, and some are even saying that LMP2 and DP should be kept separate until 2016, when new rules should be able to come in.

The technical regs being so slow with materializing is a big issue, and many people on both sides aren't very happy about it, nor are a lot of fans for that matter. And I doubt that a lot of of people are gonna exactly be really damned happy when said regs do come out. But I place a lot of the blame for this whole *******' mess on Jim France and Don Panoz. Not for the merger itself, but the timing of it. Why couldn't they keep the ALMS and GA separate until '16 when new rules are supposed to come into effect? Economics is a big reason due to TV coverage, sponsors, and logistics. But this timing has still opened up a can of worms that may turn out to be a pretty big Pandora's box if they screw it up."

And, sadly, there's plenty that people on both sides of the debate can do to mess this up, let alone series management. But Jim and Don are still pressing for the LM connection, which complicates things because of two series formed from different mindsets as far as sporting and technical regulations have to come together.

I understand that the ALMS and GA not making money and stagnating in the market place was the motivation for the merger, but as I said, the timing of this whole mess has opened up one huge can of worms, which, as also mentioned, may become a Pandora's box if those in charge screw things up.

[pablocomics]

Some decent carbon brakes, a common rear difussor for all the DP, plus the 6 gear paddle transmission and probably those cars will be on the edge if you slow down the LMP 1 or 2 seconds on long circuits. ..and maybe a standar traction control for the DP if there are too much diferences on the corners.

A little of XXI century technology isn't that expensive.

[macdaddy]

Something subtle caught my attention in this article on the ALMS website.

http://www.alms.com/articles/luhr-gr...s-road-america

"The Road America weekend featured the ALMS paired with the Rolex Series for the first time in preparation for the debut of United SportsCar Racing in 2014."

Tequila Patron is never mentioned, but Rolex is. The fact that this was published on the ALMS website is intriguing to me.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by Jonerz

I am working off of ~5 year old information, but DP engines were around $75k. Shouldn't GT motors be less expensive installed?

Chris

The $305k is less engine, fuel system or electronics. Yes, the engine would be less than $75k... but all three items together...

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Just want to be the first one to mention the entirely fabricated and factually unsupported rumor that Juan Pablo Montoya will be driving the Telmex-Ganassi HPD ARX 03b in USCR next year.

I like this made up rumour.

[seanyb505]

Shall we quote it in the Sportcars rumors thread without citing the source? Just say someone smart said it lol.

As terrible as the ALMS mgmt was, the whole streaming thing actually worked better for me. My household does not subscribe to any cable programming, as we find everything we need online somewhere. It is true that the ESPN3 idea could have used some tweaks from a technical aspect but I was always able to watch or rewatch races. I know I am in a massive minority when I say this but the new TV contract makes it that much harder for me to watch. I've been on the fence whether I will follow the new series or not, this makes that decision for me.

[TRspitfirefan]

Originally Posted by seanyb505

As terrible as the ALMS mgmt was, the whole streaming thing actually worked better for me. My household does not subscribe to any cable programming, as we find everything we need online somewhere. It is true that the ESPN3 idea could have used some tweaks from a technical aspect but I was always able to watch or rewatch races. I know I am in a massive minority when I say this but the new TV contract makes it that much harder for me to watch. I've been on the fence whether I will follow the new series or not, this makes that decision for me.

The livestreaming package was great for me as well. I was able to watch the races again, after only listening on radio lemans for a few years.

[Fogelhund]

The Livestreaming is very convenient for many, particularly for those whom it works. It isn't a particularly compelling story to potential sponsors, who are still focused on TV ratings.

[MoMedic9019]

C7R has been on track, and I have pictures.....

[Brownj]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Has anyone thought about the larger teams running both P2s and DPs? Ganassi would have the money to change at will would they not?

I could see them hedging their bets and running one of each. Especially with the rumor Maelochs has generated about Montoya for next year.

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by Brownj

I could see them hedging their bets and running one of each. Especially with the rumor Maelochs has generated about Montoya for next year.

which one is that? Funny btw you should mention Montoya for if I recall correctly I may have heard someone write about them reading or something about Montoya allegedly saying that he'll be sitting in a championship winning car next year and clearly this should be a USCR P2 car given JP's past!

[FstrthnU]

http://www.racer.com/thiim-to-replac...rticle/307311/

Interesting news here, Aston Martin Racing may leave their 5th GTE-Pro car in the USA after COTA to prepare for the 24 Hours of Daytona.

[Canada ALMS fan]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://www.racer.com/thiim-to-replac...rticle/307311/

Interesting news here, Aston Martin Racing may leave their 5th GTE-Pro car in the USA after COTA to prepare for the 24 Hours of Daytona.

I wonder if that includes Petit? Getting shafted with a BoP adjustment right before the race at Sebring might have put a damper on that....

[David Land]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://www.racer.com/thiim-to-replac...rticle/307311/

Interesting news here, Aston Martin Racing may leave their 5th GTE-Pro car in the USA after COTA to prepare for the 24 Hours of Daytona.

For the love of all things holy, send that car to Petit as well!

[Nick Woodbury]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

C7R has been on track, and I have pictures.....

MUST SEE NOW!!



*EDIT*

DOH! Just saw the new thread. Disregard lol.

[jasonjessica09]

Would anybody here love to see a GTLM win Daytona overall next year? I certainly would!

[TRspitfirefan]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Would anybody here love to see a GTLM win Daytona overall next year? I certainly would!

How about a GTLM Porsche on Falken tires?

[Lanky Turtle]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Would anybody here love to see a GTLM win Daytona overall next year? I certainly would!

Well it wouldn't be the first, second, or third time a GT was won in the past 15 years, so why not?

[MitchZ06]

Considering speeds aren't too far off where they were back in the GTS days with the GTE's I wouldn't be surprised if the Vettes or Vipers were near the front after 24 hours of racing at Daytona.

[jasonjessica09]

I think a GTLM car winning overall is possible because I feel that P2/PC will be scaled back more than DP being quicker. Also the driver quality on the GT cars is the best. Also they may have better fuel mileage and tire ware. I expect full course yellows will keep them close too.

[Maelochs]

Even if P2s were scaled back all the way to DP speeds, GTE still isn't as fast. Attrition might get a couple cars close to the top, but unless the top four prototype teams wrecked each other, I don't see a GT winning any race next year, or even making an overall podium.