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Great article which ended with the usual DSC slagging of TUSC:
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It is an entirely factual statement. Did not Pickett have to buy a new car to race in Tusc? Were not the P2 cars, well off the pace at Daytona? Did not the Oreca Nissan have some mechanical issues at Sebring? I don't understand your objections to these statements. |
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I didnt see anything untruthful in that article. You really have to be reading into things with a slanted view to see any "slagging".
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I took it more as simply stating that even if an individual does not quite understand the details of how the different technologies are affected by the regulations, there is no reason that He/She can't still enjoy the great racing. In my opinion, awe inspiring race cars are an absolutely necessary ingredient, in the recipe for great racing. Otherwise, even the closest racing action is kinda dull. |
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This is one thing, and one thing only. Winning, and have the ability to do so. It's the whole company philosophy. They didn't, and it was curtains closed. Simple really. At the end of the day the BoP was the problem. |
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“We’re trying to close the doors without embarrassing ourselves, the France family and embarrassing (the) Grand American Series,” he said in the deposition. “There is no money. There is no purse. There’s nothing.” |
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21 May 2014, 02:47 (Ref:3408470) | #3036 | ||
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Yeah I was really surprised the article did not include any information about their DP program. DSC is loosing more and more credibility every time I read an article on their site.
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21 May 2014, 03:29 (Ref:3408475) | #3037 | |
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Its not that serious. Not mentioning a DP effort lessens their credibility? Seemed like an overview of their success, not a detailed walk through of all their efforts good and bad.
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21 May 2014, 12:23 (Ref:3408630) | #3039 | |
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Possibly Pickett's experience with DPs led to his announcement in late 2013 that he absolutely would not run a DP in TUSC ... and to his not running a DP in TUSC.
Sad to lose the team ... sadder to have lost Highcroft, a little less sad to have lost John and Clint Field and Autocon, but still sad ... Glad we still have DSC. |
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From what was reported, Kansas was on the scheduled because an exsisting deal was already in place and the contract needed to be honored. Not to mention the PC, Prototype Lites and CTSC are just racing there. Not really that big of a deal. Detroit is on the schedule because the circuit is in Ford, GM and Chrysler's back yard. Not everything is as cut and dry as adding races to the calendar based on the geographical location alone. |
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Fantastic read on DSC about Ian Dawson's history. I learned a lot about his early sportscar efforts. I'm posting it here because it goes in to detail about the Radical efforts both of past years and this season for TUSC.
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Pickett wants to win. He wants to be able to compete for wins. His brand is about winning. He's wasn't doing that. Not even a chance. Four races in and there is still massive disparity in the BoP, regardless of what many think, or what the PR spin is. He's not going to spend corporate money to be a mid pack or lower car. His brand then doesn't get the best exposure, and on some level, I suppose you could perceive, the product does not do as intended..thereby hurting sales. Better BoP gives them a better shot to be on the pointy end of the grid. Wins/Podiums etc keeps them in the series. |
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22 May 2014, 21:06 (Ref:3409129) | #3046 | ||
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BoP has gotten incrementally better, but the controversy isn't going away until there is one prototype spec in TUDOR. I come from the ALMS camp, but it didn't really excite me that a P2 finally won at Laguna. Was it BoP or great effort by the best team that day? It's impossible to say which, but the question is AWAYS there.
DPs and P2s came from two entirely different mindsets. They were never intended to race each other. I understand that nearly every series in the world has BoP, but the cars were all designed to the same set of rules. Adding a whole bunch of expensive mods to the DPs made them faster than P2s. What do they do, now? Adjust BoP until P2 is dominant? No one is going to be happy as long as races appear to be due to BoP. |
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22 May 2014, 21:17 (Ref:3409132) | #3047 | ||
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Uh, not in so many words. And it wasn't exactly "he", more like "I've been told by"
Yes, there other reasons, but, Pickett is very clear in saying that he is here to compete and win. If he doesn't have that ability, he isn't going to do it. Period. All starts with three words. Balance Of Performance. Last edited by MoMedic9019; 22 May 2014 at 21:28. |
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Allowing free choice of tire won't help. Only Conti makes a DP tire (albeit mostly designed for the old, low-downforce DP) so if some p2s started running Dunlops or Michelins and winning, it would be unfair, so ... BoP again.
Dodge_Swinger is partly correct---we will always have to wonder what part BoP played in every P-class victory until there is a single formula. However, that hasn't stopped a lot of people from enjoying GT2/GTE/GT-LM to the point that most here have described it the best GT racing on the planet. I am so hoping that something like a "P1-Lite" spec with factory powerplants gets adopted for 2017, so small manufacturers can use a common monocoque between P1 and P2, with whatever necessary mods in the engine bay and simplified aero, making it cheaper to enter both ACO prototype classes. Barring that I'd like to see simply a smaller version of P1 chassis, with simpler aero (no adjustable front wing, smaller rear wing) still with production-based engines-still cost-capped, but allow teams to play with a few aero and engine parameters, instead of straight homologated and thus basically sealed packages for both. I'd like to see that become the accepted worldwide P2 spec. I'd like a lot of things. But ... TUSC fans will have to debate P-class BoP until the start fo the 2017 season--unless all the rest of the P2 teams follow Muscle Milk. |
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So....nobody else could make a DP tire?
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