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Job opening for a designer/engineer for a motorsports project at a "confidential" plant in Belvidere, Illinois.
That's the FIAT/Chrysler plant. They currently just build the Jeep Cherokee there, and they've started construction on a testing facility. Perfect cover for an Indycar or DPi project. Someone I'm close with is adamant it's an Alfa DPi project. |
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14 Oct 2017, 20:27 (Ref:3774214) | #3084 | |
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Alfa is bringing the Guilietta TCR car to both TCR fields so I'd believe that over a DPi project. It sounds like they are serious about bringing Alfa back and I'm thinking hipsters would think they're cool with a new hatchback.
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Maybe am I wrong, but alfa romeo giulietta tcr is made by romeo ferraris, an italian tuner, with poor (or nothing at all) effort by alfa romeo.
But anyway, a DPi program is really really unlikely for any FCA brand to me. |
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But DPi sounds like a step too far for FCA. |
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Alfa romeo released giulia with the goal to break the 3 german manufacturers hegemony in luxury sedan segment; guess they are aiming more for europe than USA... but who knows. An alfa DPi program could be planned and done in 3 months.... bring a dallara lmp2 chassis, modify rear subframes and suspensions to fit the 488 gt3 engine, change nose/headlights and you get a brand new car for team risi. |
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Alfa - Romeo Ferraris Audi - Factory Ford - FRD Honda - Factory (JAS) Hyundai - Factory Kia - STARD (factory approved, dunno how much assistance) Opel - Factory Peugeot - Factory(?) Seat - Factory Subaru - Top Run VW - Factory (built at Seat) |
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ACO allow Joker for Dallara, Ligier and Riley/Multimatic. Seems that all will get aero in both Le Mans and Sprint configurations and the R/M Mk. 30 probably getting other chassis allowances. These upgrades will also be applied to the DPi where applicable. The upgrades will be free to all teams/chassis.
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Well done ACO/Oreca!
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16 Oct 2017, 16:40 (Ref:3774527) | #3092 | |
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Well, you could've burnt up your own joker if you'd wanted, sir.
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I don't believe you can do it at any time. It's got to be approved by the ACO and because of a performance deficit.
Worlds smallest violin for Hugues. We all knew this was a possibility - in fact most of us predicted this would be the case. And we knew what the ACOs reaction would be, and that's exactly what happened. Whilst we should never be in this position, the ACO has at least done what they said they would do. We all know the Oreca is the best chassis. Sometimes others get close, but none can match it consistently. The Dallara can do so in medium-high downforce, but it has a very small operating window to fit into. And if they did allow Oreca to update then it'd be pointless, as they'd all move forward and Oreca would still be ahead, and we'd have spent money for nothing. |
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No, they can't. That's why he's peeved. In ELMS there was a Dallara on the podium every race but RBR and the wins were split 2/2/1 anyways. The only car that's uncompetitive is the Riley, ORECA is just more sorted across track types, an advantage that probably would have naturally eroded from everyone using non-BoP'd jokers.
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16 Oct 2017, 17:30 (Ref:3774536) | #3095 | |
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If they get shafted in '18, they can just use theirs then and dominate '19 and on.
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Race results at face value don't tell the true story. The Dallara may have been on the podium at Spa, but it had a slower average lap time (2:09.8 compared with Oreca 2:08.9, Ligier 2:09.1) than the other cars and only got a podium because the team executed the strategy well. The Dallara can be fast, but only on very specific circumstances as it has a tiny operating window. The Dallara was unable to to update just one aero kit as well, as the stability problems it has comes from a shared part. So the Dallara had to do an all or nothing. https://drracing.wordpress.com/ I highly recommend DrRacing blog for some in depth analysis. There's some great stuff which basically concludes the Oreca has a significant advantage in most areas. |
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Btw, this is much more ACO regulated series stuff than DPi (or even IMSA).
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It should be noted that under this Dallara can also update their sprint kit, something they initially weren't going to be allowed to do by the ACO.
And within context of this thread, it means that ESM and Cadillac will probably have to update their DPIs. This is due to an agreement between IMSA and the ACO that allows DPI teams to get the same updates as the ACO spec cars. |
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