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The Lotus and Hope Flybrid would not have made it in this year under that scenario. Ok, I don't think anyone would have missed the Flybrid given it's performance, but it would have been a shame not to see the Lotus. The Lotus finishing was one of the most remarkable stories to come out of the race (granted, there were many remarkable stories this year).
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Running the Lola might have given them a respectable showing this year, but would AMR have the resources to both race and continue developing the Lola while working work on a new car for 2012? We could have just ended up seeing this year's fiasco next year instead... |
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You could arguee that if Aston Martin would have put the straight 6 engine in a Lola chassis, the outcome would have still been the same. The engine is the cause of their reliability issues.
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IIRC both Turner and Fernandez were quoted as saying that they were fairly happy with the way the car handles so far, it's just way down on straight-line speed. Surely what AMR urgently need to do is to run a very intensive engine development programme - if I was Dave Richards, I'd have the engine shop working 7 days a week and be looking to have the car out testing anywhere I could find vacant track time between now and Imola... |
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They could have run the new engine in the Lola I guess, although as gwyllion suggested, I suspect all it might have achieved is better laptimes for the handful of laps before it broke down... |
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If the engine is the weak link, go fix that... in the meantime, a Judd with a new rocker cover will get miles on the chassis... |
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That might actually be the best option- forget Imola (After the Sebring and Spa no-shows and the Le Mans debacle Aston's ILMC campaign is pretty much dead in the water for this year anyway) and concentrate on running a lot of test mileage, to try and get a reliable car for Silverstone.
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I wouldn't even worry about chassis development right now (modifying the chassis to take a Judd or whatever for testing sounds like a distraction they could do without...), just concentrate on getting that engine capable of holding together a race distance....Once it can do that, they can look at whatever is needed to fix the chassis and aero..
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Is there a requirement that AMR run their car to ensure entry for Le Mans 2012? Or is it just 'assumed'
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Actually, is there a certain reason why AM did choose an 6-inline as their current engine? Why no V6? I am asking because this spec is not known to be the best solution for a supercharged engine; if you re not using a sequential charger like Alpina-BMW does its suboptimal because of the response behaviour. And that could be the point.
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DR counting his money? as it clearly can't be developing this motor.
To see the comments about the horsepower deficit borders on comedy. -50, -100, -150, -150 plus. The chassis, therefore, is unbelievably great or unbelievably bad. If we believe Mulsanne Mike (-100), then the chassis is junk as the car is much slower than customer LMP2s. Drivers say it is well balanced. Well, when you are doing a lap time with your finger up your nose ('cos it cant go any faster), it ought to be balanced. What drivel. No point working on the motor as the chassis ain't up to it either. If Adrian, Harold and Andy (AHA) want to chuck more money into this pit, good luck to them. DR will only smile and keep on counting. Hopefully AHA will have an "Eureka moment". |
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Not going to Imola would be a wise move IMO. I'd like to see AMR run the Lola V12 for the rest of the season while they work on the new car in private, but I don't think that is going to happen. It's a shame because the success of Pescarolo shows that grandfathered petrol cars can still be very quick. |
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Of all the new 2011 LMP1 cars, the AMR-One is the worst. |
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The engineers that work on chassis and aero are of little help for the engine development. I am sure that the engine people of Prodrive are working flat out since the project got approved late last year.
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The trouble is with fourms is that half the posts are clogged up with people who have too much time on their hands, speculating and moaning. Fact is Aston Martin should be embarrsed by this, BUT it was all built late in the day, Rome wasn't built over night. Give the engineers a bit more time on the engine front and results will come.
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I'm sure a lot of the problems AMR are facing can be fixed with time and testing, but they have lost a lot of credibility in the meantime. AMR relys on credibility to maintain their funding so that they can sell customer cars, get pay drivers, sell cars to collectors, and so forth. The embarrassing showing so far this year can't be helping in that regard. Also, the GTE Vantage also clearly needs some development as well. Who knows if they have the resources to do all the smoothing they need to do with their Le Mans programs. |
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I have no problem saying that the AMR one is a shamble at Le mans (and start of this year) and if I was the ACO I would be expecting better results on the forth coming ILMC events and otherwise I would be wondering if I was going to invite them to 2012 Le mans 24 hours. But I do think people struggle to realise how much of a task AMR/Prodrive have undertaken here in such a short space of time. |
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Im bored of hearing how late the project got announced....Lotus announced a GT2 project at around the same time and they had two respectable entries at Le Mans one of which finished. Percentage wise on pace they were far closer to the leading cars in GTE than the AMR effort in P1
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