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17 Jun 2011, 12:55 (Ref:2900897) | #3176 | ||
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Great you win!!!! Congrats. Now if Prodrive with the AMR One could actually win something other than the first retirement at Le Mans then maybye I would take them seriously.
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We still have the prodrive-owned Ford Performance Racing down here, the team that is always going to win the V8Supercar championship... next year... and many of the same frustrations exploded here are true of this particular effort. It is a shame, as I am sure there are many very clever people in the AMR operation... but there doesnt seem to be the grey haired, old hand of reason that stops the unconventional from becoming the reality. You can call something purple when it is green as much as you like when you are winning.. but until then, call it purple and migrate to calling it green. In other words, go conventional... migrate to unconventional once the runs are firmly on the board |
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17 Jun 2011, 13:37 (Ref:2900915) | #3181 | ||
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Apples and oranges, yeah yeah. You're probably right. But AMR had arguably the best petrol LMP1 car in Europe. Ok, if nothing else they needed a new engine in 2012, but they could have done that more conventionally and with far more development and still retained their title as having an awesome petrol LMP1. Maybe they wanted to be more than that, but it's hard to say that their new package was going to be the magic elixir. I'm sure things will improve if they do development and testing. If nothing else, it surely can't get worse. Who knows what will happen, who would have guessed that JLOC would have won a race in 2009 after their disastrous Le Mans race earlier that year? Strange things happen. It would be great if things improve, but they've done a lot of damage to their hard-earned reputation in the interim. |
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17 Jun 2011, 14:28 (Ref:2900940) | #3182 | |
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What I just don't get is why AMR felt the need to "develop in public". They knew the car was late, so why race it? They could have continued with the grandfathered Lola, saying "we'll debut the new car during the season". Sure, they wouldn't have been close to the front of the pack, but nobody would have expected them to be with a grandfathered car. It wouldn't have been such a PR disaster.
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17 Jun 2011, 14:32 (Ref:2900943) | #3183 | ||
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Hope they can get their crap together coz the car looks and sounds the tits!
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Does AMR have any of their Lolas from last year still in their possession or are they all with privateer teams and collectors? I'm not sure about that. As for the new cars, I believe they have presold a number of cars to collectors and privateer teams. Perhaps they wanted to give collectors cars from this year with a racing history? I'm not sure when the cars were expected to be handed over to the collectors. Well, the collectors might get some pretty historic cars, but not in a good way! |
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Would AMR have even been able to consider using the Lolas this year if they'd already been shipped off to their owners? |
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Prodrive's background of course is largely in developing production-based cars for touring cars, WRC and GT racing- Have they simply taken on too much given the limited budget available to them? |
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What's with all the panic, I've never understood the desire to right someone off after a mistake, it happens to the best of them, what matters is how they respond.
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Crikey guys, calm down! Don't you think this is all a little OTT? I mean, there's global famine, wars in the middle east, climate change, some serious stuff that might warrant furious keyboard tapping of this degree - but come on, some people seem downright offended by this car, what's all this bashing trying to achieve exactly?
We know the car's rubbish, but worst effort in Le Mans history? Have we forgotten JLOC already!? The worst thing that could possibly happen is that the AMR-ONE will be branded a complete disaster and Aston Martin will pull out of sportscar racing. Nobody will be hurt, and nobody will die. |
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Ok, obviously my first thought is that Richards must have gone off the deep end or is attending the Atherton school of PR if he is implying that Audi and Peugeot are afraid of the AMR-One! Ok, maybe they will have something to be afraid of next year. Maybe they will get things right - it is certainly possible. Still, wow, is that the best way to respond to the criticism? To blame performance balancing essentially? My second thought and question: just how much impact will the FIA have in regard to performance balancing? I thought stuff like that is still up to the ACO to decide. Maybe not? But, yes, Roller and Daman did have some unsavory things to say about Prodrive. That is interesting. |
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Get some brakes for the chair while your at it , and a wiper to clear your vision . I think the car will come good , but the trouble is both Pug and Audi are already starting with a fast car . I love the sound , but will never like that chassis really . |
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Its funny, i went to Le Mans full of hope that they may have turned a corner with the car, and watching it during practice it looked half tidy through the Porsche Curves, it sounded ace too, but all those dreams came undone in the first hour.
i hope they can fix it and come back strong, as the guys who work on it have put in a monster effort to get it up and running in such a short time scale, and having to do your testing in public, in front of the world, its either going to work or bite you on the butt............. |
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On Racecar Engineering they said the turbo set-up may change to a twin turbo.
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