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Silverstone and the stewards once again guilty of an odd penalty.
Alonso avoids a collision with Kubica by running wide, is ordered to let Kubica back through - fair enough, then ordered to serve a drive through when Kubica's car breaks down before it can be let through. How does this fit in with the previous decisions allowing both Alonso and Hamilton to overtake in pit lane entrance by leaving the circuit entirely? |
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12 Jul 2010, 03:43 (Ref:2725204) | #303 | |
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Alonso passed Kubica in Brooklands on Lap 16 ad Kubica retired on lap 17.
No connection with the pass or Alonso running wide. |
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12 Jul 2010, 04:30 (Ref:2725218) | #305 | ||
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It is not the stewards job to tell him to give the place back Alonso knew he should and the team knew he should, they pushed their luck and paid the price dictated by the rules. As to blaming Nigel Mansell for the decision this is patently absurd, the driver steward is hopefully highly respected by the other stewards but is only really there in an advisory capacity. Their presence has been a positive thing so far this year and if fans continue to vilify and accuse them personally of bias at each race we are likely to find a shortage of F1 drivers willing to serve. |
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12 Jul 2010, 04:53 (Ref:2725224) | #307 | |
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The F1 drivers serning on the stewards panel is just a sham anyway to give respectability to decisions they appear to have no input in making.
Any driver seving on the panel without the ability to speak to the media about a decision or have an active vote in the makeing of the decision should not allow his good name to be associated with bad decisions. The stewards should further be required to give written reports of the reasoning behind their decisions and have to cite the instances that grant them a precedent for making the decision. This is a professional business where many interests are involved and a great deal of money is being spent and the stewards decisions should be beyond reproach. |
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Sorry, never meant to imply that you did, however others are and that was my point. |
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12 Jul 2010, 05:34 (Ref:2725229) | #310 | |
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One thing i dont get is why ferrari didnt just ignore the penalty and drive on and then take whatever penalty they would get after the race instead. If I was calling the shots on the pitwall i would have seriously considered that option. It seems like obviously cheating would be less of a disadvantage than taking the penalty right there, like how LH got a 30 second penalty after Valencia, while the people following the rules basically lost a lap
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What position on the track was Alonso, when he 'passed' Kubica? I saw the incudent but wasn't paying too much attention to track position at the time. |
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12 Jul 2010, 06:17 (Ref:2725238) | #312 | |
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Alonso went from 5th position to the back of the pack with virtually no chance of scoring any points.
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If the stewards panel is really an independent judicial body they should be responsible and professional enough to be able to justify their decisions in written statements that would provide all with a guide to to the reasoning and evaluations about the offence and the disciplinary sentences made. it would lead to clearer more consistent decisions because they would become more accountable, and at this level that would be no bad thing. What is important is that the FIA doesn't intefere in their decisions or manipulate any part of the judicial process once the machinery is in motion. |
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12 Jul 2010, 09:19 (Ref:2725313) | #317 | ||
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They might as welave parked the car and saved the engine instead of taking the penalty. At least if they had continued they would have had a non 0 % chance of scoring points. Taking the penalty would ensure no points Last edited by Wims; 12 Jul 2010 at 09:28. |
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In this case Alonso should have given up the place and didn't and although we may think the penalty was too severe, a 5 or 10 second time penaly would have been more appropriate, the rule book may not allow such flexibility. Drivers as stewards is a step forward but I would prefer to see a more constant selection rather than different drivers at each race. |
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He overtook into Club on lap 17 And then Kubica retired on lap 19 He passed Alguesauri into Brooklands Last edited by mattt; 12 Jul 2010 at 10:54. |
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Do the stewards make a decision and THEN confer with the X-F1 driver?
Because if so, that may explain the delays in decision making that have made the recent penalties work for some drivers and totally ruin the chances of others. I admit I cringed when Alonso made that move but a drive through? Especially considering the advantage gained would have been realized one lap later and it may have taken him two to give the position back if it was his intention? |
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