2010 Formula BMW Pacific - Page 13

Sun 1 · 23 Jul 2010, 06:16 (Ref:2731005)

Well....BMW is nice and got plenty of cars on the grid but if next race is in Singapore it means that the drivers will spend almost 4 month without racing!!!! AFR may have only 10 cars but at least by september they will have visited 4 different tracks and plenty of races.

Lam Pak · 24 Jul 2010, 14:03 (Ref:2731691)

bmw is loosing grip in asia. they try to run away from china. now they dont know where to race. bad play. bad for teams. bad for drivers. bad for afos. bmw forget a person is blessed once but his troubles never come alone.

bothfeetin · 25 Jul 2010, 22:17 (Ref:2732890)

Sad to say but I agree with Lam Pak - not so much about the blessing part but with the whole AFOS/Asia/China dealings - foresight is not their forte' and has never been - regardless where and how they entered a series - always pulling the plug when there is beef on the bone!

Will AFOS be smart enough to satisfy also the teams this time or do we all getting the sitting high on the horse attitude?

All this shunting of dates makes prospective drivers leery for sure as why would you plan going to a series which
a) lost the prestige and name, i.e. BMW;
2) a series which changes venues in mid season and has no replacement track already sorted out as 3 events/races/tracks were tbc; and
3) there seems to be the element of uncertainty if the series continues.

What has to happen is that all teams have to stand behind the "Bernie of Asia" but he also has to give plenty of info and lead times to them - not always "surprise surprise" - for many it is a business and livelyhood!

Sun 1 · 26 Jul 2010, 11:47 (Ref:2733255)

That is all the truth, I dont understand why BMW dont come to China? there're 2 decent tracks and it must be a "cheap" place for the team to go and i dont think the logistic is harder than Japan or Korea......+ China is a Huge market for BM, look at Porsche they focus a lot on that country....smart..

But if you look at "AFOS" series like the GT3 its even more pathetique,they have done 3 race weekends already in....Sepang

Slider48 · 27 Jul 2010, 12:17 (Ref:2733954)

I think the FBMW organisers still remember the Jazeman incident...

Lam Pak · 27 Jul 2010, 12:55 (Ref:2733977)

excuses! malay excuses! shame on you! bmw blame on china stewarts. very bad. excuses. its their fault meritus always cheating.

bmw can see malaysia only. if they dont like china assume it. china teams are not welcome. every body know. they just race macau cause macau is famous in world

bothfeetin · 27 Jul 2010, 15:49 (Ref:2734033)

Hey Lam Pak....agreeing again with you! What happened to you? Did you fell and hit your head? Now suddenly you write things with substance and thoughts! Good for you! and all the readers I might add.

AFOS needs to act swiftly if they want to maintain their momentum in FBMW ca counts and don't f...k around as they did so many times now. David needs to take his stick out of you know what..and give precise and clear directions and a mandate which is not cooked by children or people without any real experience.

Failure will be a success at times - hope AFOS is not thinking that deep!

Slider48 · 28 Jul 2010, 12:23 (Ref:2734573)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lam Pak

excuses! malay excuses! shame on you! bmw blame on china stewarts. very bad. excuses. its their fault meritus always cheating.

bmw can see malaysia only. if they dont like china assume it. china teams are not welcome. every body know. they just race macau cause macau is famous in world

I don't speak for the BMW organisers and was just speculating on why China's not on the schedule. I agree that FBMW should go to China and I believe it is very likely to do so.

But the facts as I understand them is that Meritus was caught with an illegal gearbox in China. The modification was deliberate and performance enhancing. The team and driver were disqualified.

Meritus appealed to the FIA and the Chinese officials did not turn up at the hearing so the appeal was upheld and Meritus/Jazeman was re-instated as champions.

Juntos · 30 Jul 2010, 07:40 (Ref:2735651)

The tall poppies of Formula BMW Pacific should pay more attention to what they do. There is no official word on Korea AFOS postponement. Formula BMW Pacific website is rubbish and AFOS bumbershoot is poop. Can they start yacking? Here or in Europe this stupid silence generates rumors and gossips, developing factions, rivals, fighting and power struggle. Drivers and teams don't welcome public silence. It's been yonks that I've seen BMW acting like amateurs. We all joke about the chinese but the germans and the brits can't do better.

**gomick** · 1 Aug 2010, 02:40 (Ref:2736869)

Will this series be around in 2011?

Lam Pak · 1 Aug 2010, 16:36 (Ref:2737543)

fbmw continue in 2011 on afos. they're causing the bloodshed

Slider48 · 2 Aug 2010, 02:40 (Ref:2737910)

All we have here in Asia is rumours and gossip. Maybe this, maybe that. No announcements whatsoever. We're in the dark too.

speedkills · 2 Aug 2010, 04:32 (Ref:2737931)

FBMW is deservedly finished. The parents can finally breath a sigh of relief. Hopefully they will get their money back

Sun 1 · 2 Aug 2010, 07:35 (Ref:2737970)

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedkills

FBMW is deservedly finished. The parents can finally breath a sigh of relief. Hopefully they will get their money back

To be honest, i dont see much of a point to pay a season of F-BMW Asia at 140-150,000 Euros, i mean this is Asia and that should be much much cheaper than that, the gap between a Euro season and Asia series is too small to justify racing here....
Is anyone got an idea about FR Asia price?

petergriffin · 2 Aug 2010, 09:54 (Ref:2738058)

sun 1-what do you think would be a reasonable price to race in fbmw pacific/asia??

Sun 1 · 2 Aug 2010, 12:27 (Ref:2738144)

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Originally Posted by petergriffin

sun 1-what do you think would be a reasonable price to race in fbmw pacific/asia??

In my opinion....Racing in Asia must be an opportunity for drivers with limited budget to get started and get experience so I would say that the Promoter/organiser and eventually Manufacturer should do every thing to bring the cost down to a 1/3 of the price of what Teams are charging in Europe.....I dont think Teams are making massive money but the way the series is done ( venues/testing ) must be more reasonable...140-150k Euros is not reasonable to race around here....

total3d · 3 Aug 2010, 05:55 (Ref:2738582)

ive heard that the FBMW Europe budget (to be a front runner) is about double the pacific budget (350000 Euro). I know some teams in europe that have said with a budget of 200000E, its just scraping by in the euro series.
So i guess the asia budget isnt too bad, but then again when ISNT motor racing expensive.

petergriffin · 3 Aug 2010, 06:38 (Ref:2738588)

budget can be brought down if just race at Sepang, ie, one circuit. no f1 support crap etc and just be a real learning series. once you want glamour of f1 support etc then it costs but not necessarily make you a better driver. still would be hard to get to 1/3 as even racing go kart can cost you that much.

total3d · 5 Aug 2010, 04:26 (Ref:2739646)

you cant really have a professional race series, and only race at one track. No skill involved, and no exposure. What your suggesting is basically what PFX are doing, and what BMW are going to do next year with that talent cup.

And rumor is that the next race might be at guandong in china

Lam Pak · 5 Aug 2010, 13:39 (Ref:2739833)

bmw need china. guangdong province can offer best and cheap for bmw runners. gossips dont stop in these forum. afos website crash

lets do it yo strenght.

petergriffin · 6 Aug 2010, 01:01 (Ref:2740136)

agree totally BUT fbmw pacific is not professional series as all drivers parents except petronas driver pay for racing. most of the drivers do not have the skills yet to race in "professioanl" series, see how many cars nearly flipped in last meet due to tyre contact because drivers being stupid in 1st or 2nd corner. it is a learner series so focus shld be on developing driving skills first then letting them lose. think bmw has seen the light which why they have changed format as parents getting ****ed off paying for damage caused by other inexperienced drivers stupidity

Slider48 · 6 Aug 2010, 08:51 (Ref:2740258)

Confirmed officially by AFOS that it is Guandong on 3 - 5 September.

Juntos · 9 Aug 2010, 05:55 (Ref:2741719)

Jeez! How come it is official since its not available on www.afos.com or BMW Motorsport website?

Sun 1 · 9 Aug 2010, 08:27 (Ref:2741753)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juntos

Jeez! How come it is official since its not available on www.afos.com or BMW Motorsport website?

An other screw up i guess......

Slider48 · 9 Aug 2010, 11:05 (Ref:2741830)

I believe that AFOS sent an e-mail to all teams. Since I am merely an interested spectator I do not have access to the e-mail. I guess the information is strictly on a "need to know" basis and spectators obviously do not need to know what's going on....

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