dmn 2010

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by 205dave

At least 10,500 rpm

i reconed on 11K

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

be good to see it work my guess be that it will produce very similar power to what you get now.

it wouldnt suprise me although i expect torque to suffer, although the current engine must have a lot more power potiential with hotter cams back in it

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by 205dave

At least 10,500 rpm

never mind the expense will need new rev counter

[mig]

And earplugs

[205dave]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

be good to see it work my guess be that it will produce very similar power to what you get now.

We are fairly confident, we have built them befor getting nearly the same power, a bit more development and i think we can better this years engine. Will just make bills job harder as there will be less torque to play with.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by mig

And earplugs

you fit him a cd player as well and he can play its a kind of magic by queen

[205dave]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

never mind the expense will need new rev counter

Well if it goes to 11 then thats one louder

[205dave]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

you fit him a cd player as well and he can play its a kind of magic by queen

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by 205dave

We are fairly confident, we have built them befor getting nearly the same power, a bit more development and i think we can better this years engine. Will just make bills job harder as there will be less torque to play with.

An intresting challenge to you both, here wishing you good luck

[nyloc]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

you can make the equivence factor anything you want,





1.5 makes easy maths and worked for what was trying to be achived

So not really based upon any physical consideration of what a cylinder head as a component contributes?

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

you can make the equivence factor anything you want, turbo 1.4 stems from msa hillclimb and sprint mod prod rules, a turbo might give you a lot more power but it does have some drawbacks, such as etc weight, lag and a non liner throttle responce,

1.5 makes easy maths and worked for what was trying to be achived plus it is already in use eleswhere in the championship regulations

Its not difficult to times 1.2 or 1.3 or 1.4 but 1.5 puts bill inclass c

[graham bahr]

its about more than just bill you know!

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

its about more than just bill you know!

This may be, but not in a lot of peoples eyes.
Lets face it with in the exsisting rules there were only 3 people that dominated, If you count over 50% wins so you could have used the rule where you could have been made to carry extra weight. This would take into account the dominant cars in all classes.

[kjw]

Decision time. 205 Dave what sort of power/torque (realistic) will a 1300 KAD engine produce and at what rev range, and are they reliable enough to last a season say 12 hours racing?
All, what sort of power does a well sorted 2.0 ltr 8 valve escort produce and what sort of power does a 1.6 multi valve engine produce?

[graham bahr]

the rules are set out at the start of the season and every one knows where they stand for the whole year without any moving goal posts, just like most successfull motorsport formulars

which most agree is the fairest way forwards, weight penalties do not allow that and can take a long while to even things out and then are thrown amock if someone new turns up

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

its about more than just bill you know!

Who's Bill and what does he drive?

[205dave]

Originally Posted by kjw

Decision time. 205 Dave what sort of power/torque (realistic) will a 1300 KAD engine produce and at what rev range, and are they reliable enough to last a season say 12 hours racing?
All, what sort of power does a well sorted 2.0 ltr 8 valve escort produce and what sort of power does a 1.6 multi valve engine produce?

Not sure on the others, but a 1300cc short stroke form previous engine we have build will be around 180bhp @ 10000rpm with max torque 108 flbs @ around the 8000rpm mark

[205dave]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

Who's Bill and what does he drive?

Bill richards in the blue Mini

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by 205dave

Not sure on the others, but a 1300cc short stroke form previous engine we have build will be around 180bhp @ 10000rpm with max torque 108 flbs @ around the 8000rpm mark

a well sorted 8 valve escort ( assuming a true 2.0 pinto) will have 190-200bhp and 155odd lbft, but will have about 300kgs more weight to lug around than a similar spec mini

[Robert Morris]

I hear the calendar for the dmn etc has been posted in brief torque i still awaiting last week post can some one put it on here.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

but depending on who builds u a shell could be sub £5,000 with full weld in cage complete -front end ready to be painted!!!!!!!! Just look at Kens and ask him where he got it from!!!!!!!!!!!!

is that you supplying a shell and all the carbon fiber?

[stephen craig]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

a well sorted 8 valve escort ( assuming a true 2.0 pinto) will have 190-200bhp and 155odd lbft, but will have about 300kgs more weight to lug around than a similar spec mini

Not bad Graham, just got my dyno print out.
207bhp and 159ft lb of torque.
And thats on standard bore & stroke.

Think the old chap will be re-fitting his 2 litre next year which had a bit more grunt than mine.

Ive now got to decide between scooby or escort.

[graham bahr]

Not bad Graham, just got my dyno print out.
207bhp and 159ft lb of torque.
And thats on standard bore & stroke.

i only said a well sorted, not a very well sorted

[Scooby 96]

Originally Posted by stephen craig

Not bad Graham, just got my dyno print out.
207bhp and 159ft lb of torque.
And thats on standard bore & stroke.

Think the old chap will be re-fitting his 2 litre next year which had a bit more grunt than mine.

Ive now got to decide between scooby or escort.

The "old chaps" 2ltr is 200/165 but still 4 speed and cart springs. None of this 5 speed/5 linked modern stuff.

The Rs2000 could well be press-ganged back into action as I cant seem to keep the heads on the Scooby!!!
Nigel

[joss Ronchetti]

Anyone got Brief Torque? (mines not delivered to Monday am at work)
If so could you please put the race date calender for the DMN rounds on here, fingers crossed they don't clash much with the Classic Thunder
Cheers in advance to whoever publishes