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you gotta remember parity again...
2010 spec cars will have greater parity applied than earlier cars... Not only in pure lap speed/time, (restrictors/weight etc) but in the race the 2010 cars have to make more compulsoty stops also, with minimum 10 laps between them (you can stop whenever but they won't count if less than 10 laps apart)... we worked it all out for running teds 2010 Gallardo, and it seemed to be a bit heavy, which was one of the reasons we pulled that car out. So, running a 2006 430 GT3 is a much smarter move, speed wise.... we have free choice of tyre compounds, and pit stops frequency suit our strategy windows ok. I still think Bairdo and the Quinns, and the Joest cars will take some beating... but it's a LONG LONG LONG race........... |
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Well.. that's great, but the 12 hour doesnt run at 1am, and they will have little to no running in the dark in february.... Here is a thought - why didnt the GT guys go and organise their own 24 hour race ? Instead of hi-jacking another category to do so ? The FOSC meeting would have been perfect with a strong support mix of sports cars for the supporting events. I am sure now that Yeeyah have the claim of both, it could have been done. I dont think 2 x 12 hour races at each are the way to go, it will blur the lines as to what is what. The problem with the 12 hour as it was in production car spec, was that there wasnt really a bona-fide series that those cars could otherwise run in. Yes, we had shannons nationals.. but lets be honest, that isnt got to pump the category up sufficently to attract some dealer and manufacturer interest. When we had the old GT performance/performance car championship running around it may have been different, as it did put the cars on the bill at the supercar rounds in front of decent crowds at larger scale events (such as Adelaide etc). To expect manufacturers and teams to build a car for essentially one race per year wasnt ever really going to work in drawing widespread manufacturer support, even back-door support from privateers... Now with a new direction for the category, this may change. The rules have been revised to bring the EVO's back to the pack (where they always should have been) and the event in 2010 was a great race, despite the weather. I am not dissing on GT racing. I can see why people are pumped up about it. But... given the discussions about the cost of running a GT car for 12 hours - I am sure guys like ff s cons and co can add comment... it throws the event out of the reach of a lot of people. If you run them for 12 you might as well run them for 24... and get that night running etc... and easter would be the time to do it at the FOSC.. leave the 12 hour for the prods as it always has been and everyone is happy. The only problem I forsee is that this then reduces the "grid filling option" for production cars at the "24hr" which means that GT and challenge cars will have to fill the grid in their own right... if GT racing is so good, then this shouldnt be a problem... Old Tony's post about the importance of sponsorship flow for the production car guys, and the sellability of being in the outright class was superb - hit the nail right on the head. You saw guys like Damian White get sponsorship last year from Pedigree... i doubt he would be able to do that sort of deal if he was running for a class win 20+ seconds off the pace.. probably why they are not there this year... It has nothing to do with people cracking a wobbly. |
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GT3 Cup S = built to FIA GT3 spec for GT racing (eg. Australian GT)
GT3 R = built to FIA GT3 spec, newer than the S. Thanks Rik - so in theory the Quinn Porsche will be quicker than the other Porsches...except for the whole pit stop thing... |
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Last man standing?
I would respectfully suggest that the 3 pilots in the #43 Easts car are not as quick as the TMR trio in Mr Salmon's car of last year, or indeed the#43 car's 3previous pilots Class prediction time? Class A - Fight between the 2 Audis, Quinn Porsche, Wall Porsche & Koundouris Porsche. Likely an Audi win, but possibly the 2nd one Class B - Unless something happens to the car mechanically, or one of the pilots gets over excited, the Lago Porsche would be hard to beat Class C - If Mr Freestone's Corvette can last, it should be like the Monaro, chug chug chugging away to the finish Class D - The BMW has a good history having won twice outright, but the Subaru and Mitsubishi will fight to the death, if it lasts Mr Herridge's WRX may surprise here. Class E - Presuming it actually starts, the McLeod Astra has a good pedigree for pace and reliability in recent times, would be hard to toss. Not long now.. |
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No doubt that the Audi's coming over for this event is a major attraction, however can someone explain to me what are they standing to gain by competing in the 12 hour as i am presuming that their cars will not be advertising local businesses/companies and the prize money is ordinary to say the least ?
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Possibly a lot of Australians are not quite switched on to the fact that with the A$ the way it is, the strength of the local economy and the locals enjoying their motoring, this is one of the strongest markets for upmarket vehicles in the world.
VAG are obviously looking at the strong Mercedes, Lexus and BMW sales here and want a slice of that action. An Audi win at Bathurst would be just as useful in selling A3s, A4s, TTs etc as it is in selling R8s. And the extra dealer traffic might rub off on VW and Skoda as well. Smart move by Audi for mine. Pity there was no interest in entering an A4 Tdi quattro a couple of years back! |
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They race those in places that have even richer car nuts. Like the Gulf!!!!
Couldn't catch the BMWs at Dubai though. |
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Still, at the 1000 support event in 2007, the Performance car field attracted 27 cars. Imagine how this would have swelled both the performance car and the 12 hour grids had this series continued with a 'common' rulebook ? Going back further into GT production, the 2004 Adelaide 500 supports got 30 cars.. so production cars can get big grids - all this without the 12 hour bedded down...which would only add to the incentive of building and racing one of these cars. Quote:
The GT field had 27 cars at the 1000 support races in 2010. The 12 hour entry has 28 - which have been bolstered by 8 production cars and 6 Porsche GT3 challenge cars, plus a couple (2) of one-off races for some GT4's... Plus.. 3 "international" GT3 entries ( the 2 x Audis and the Lester Ferrari) and you could call the Bowe entry a "one-off"... So that is 19-20 out of 28 which I wouldnt consider "GT" regulars. Pretty poor effort I would say. Especially when 27 bona-fide GT3/4 cars fronted for the 1000 in October, just a few months ago.... and I note none of the Lamborgini's bothered to enter...that is a massive let down. Quote:
To a lesser extent, it was also an exposure issue - for instance the event would have boomed with live TV.. even only say, 4 hours live.. look at the 12 hour in 91-94.. that had live/same day TV... and it grew year on year and had widespread manufacturer support. In contrast the 24 hour had same day TV and it didnt go anywhere... To have John Bowe come out and commend the event last year was a highlight, and that it was great in concept - just needed more pushing from within the motoring industry. I dont see GT racing as a great massiah to solve this problem. I cant see punters rocking up in droves to see 9 geninue GT3 cars buzz around..and with the Gt3 cars in place there is ZERO incentive for any mainstream manufacturer to be involved. |
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Do you also realise that there are only three cars in the race that don't either have one-two drivers who have driven in the past 12 hours or who have entered a car in the previous 12 hours
- Audi R8 (overseas entrants) - Porsche 997 (Racing dynamics) - Lotus Exige (Simply Sports Cars) So there is every good chance that most of these drivers or teams would have raced in a 2011 production styled 12 hour race. The race has only attracted Lowndes, Fiore and Reynolds + Audi overseas drivers, all the other star drivers have raced in the previous events. |
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Having just watched the first round of the European GT3 Championship @ Silverstone with its awesome line up of cars, there were not too many punters to be seen. If they can't attack a crowd there what chance do they have out here? |
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A very good question, a good one for the event promoter about that Green Hornett.
I don't think anyone is expecting a monster crowd by any stretch but I think they(the promoter) feel cars like Ferrari, Porsche, Audi, Mosler, Aston Martin will create more interest from media, sponsors and the public - rightly or wronly. Last edited by D.R.T.; 17 Jan 2011 at 17:31. |
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Aww for gawds sake!...there were more volunteer marshals at the last 2 B12hr's than paying spectators, and now crowds are a concern for this year? Puhlease.
Give it up, it's a GT race now that includes prod cars. Embrace it, enjoy it...or stay at home. Please yourself. |
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I'm not making assertations about the crowd, the pro-prods/anti GT's (whatever you want to call yourselves) are mentioning crowds. I'm biting my tongue on many of these negative posts such is the junk thats being written...either get on board with the event or leave it alone. Feel free to resume normal negative transmission post event if you feel it was a disaster. Last time I looked, the heading was Bathurst 12 hour, not whine about production cars. |
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Hey Efioz care to expand on your 'patience' comment? I couldnt see one being raced in Australia, well for one its quite expensive and its a brand new car so it wouldnt be allowed to race as I know it in Aus GT unless a well known Mercedes enthusiast who also likes truck has brought one as a toy......... |
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While there seems to be a late entry, another Lancer, and a Lotus drops out... |
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