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But not a "what the series looks like" point of view.
Cause right now it kinda looks like we're using a second rate product. I know that's not 100% due to the company that makes the product, but also the company that required that specific product. |
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That is fair. I do think that Conti deserve their due for how well they have marketed the sport since the merger. In saying that, I think the series bringing Michelin into the top class was a no brainer.
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They're going to use the standard Michelin customer tire as far as I know, in both Prototype and GTD. And if that's the case, they won't be much quicker, if at all, than the Continental (especially the first season while everyone is trying to figure out how to make it work).
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Dunlop is the main lmp2 supplier, some team switched to michelin to soon come back to dunlop, while some team sticking with michelin didn't get any real improvement at all.
With michelin customers, guess that IMSA lmp2 will be as fast as dunlop WEC/ELMS lmp2. |
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13 Feb 2018, 11:53 (Ref:3800919) | #3282 | ||
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I think any pick up in speed won't be from simply switching from continental to Michelin, but to a tire design that is 5 years newer. Michelin has been evolving their customer tires all along. Quotes from Daytona lead me to believe that continental has been selling a formula from at least as old as 2013.
It won't be 5 seconds a lap faster, but it'll be enough to notice. I imagine race pace will stay roughly the same, but the faster qualifiers will see some improvement. In my uneducated "I've seen a stack of tires" opinion. |
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13 Feb 2018, 14:33 (Ref:3800962) | #3283 | ||
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Should we expect Michelin to try their standard tire at Daytona (and will it work?) or will they try to make a custom model and hope it works first time? They do have some data from LMGT.
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13 Feb 2018, 17:51 (Ref:3801041) | #3284 | ||
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Anyway, it's really unlikely that gt or gt3 tires could be used as base for lmp2/dpi. About timelap improvements, well a direct comparison there will be during sebring 12H with IMSA michelin lmp2 and WEC mainly dunlop lmp2. |
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13 Feb 2018, 17:52 (Ref:3801043) | #3285 | ||
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Michelin only puts their best tires in open tire classes (IMSA/WEC) because in WEC P2 and GTE-AM there is a "tire claim rule". They don't want Dunlop getting their hands on their confidential tires -- it's also why the tires are returned to Michelin after sessions and in the event of failures and teams can be fined for "losing" them. The "confidential" Dunlops are very good, but not as good as the Michelins so they aren't afraid of Michelin deconstructing/reverse-engineering the tires.
The Dunlop "customer" tires are better than the Michelin "customer". However, the tires companies are always very coy when it comes to what exact specification tire they're going to supply to a spec-tire class for any series. Especially for IMSA as I can almost guarantee you that the tires used at Daytona will be different than the rest of schedule. However, don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see them in the series. They should be a good upgrade from the Continentals once they're sorted out. -mike ps: a single "confidential" tire set costs around $10k USD (as of 2014, maybe more now) versus $2,500 for Continental/Pirellis. Of course, most of the big teams have marketing deals to offset these costs. |
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15 Feb 2018, 18:57 (Ref:3801649) | #3290 | |
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There's been more than a few. The Mitty paddock at Road Atlanta last spring had at least 3 Vette DPs and multiple older spec DPs. The race winning Whelen Vette DP was racing the next April in HSR, if you believe the signage exactly as was raced at Petit.
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2 Jul 2018, 15:13 (Ref:3834314) | #3292 | |
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After reading some comments on the DPi/LMP2 balance and the time by IMSA seemingly needs until the classes are balanced (this and last year) whatever the reason may be.
Because of the development of the DPi cars they had an advantage at the beginning of the season after it seemed that the different classes were balanced at the end of last season. I seem to remember reading that after some unspecified time DPi development would be frozen too and the cars homologated. Has this idea been dropped or is this still planned to do? |
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2 Jul 2018, 16:04 (Ref:3834320) | #3293 | ||
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Does anyone have set proof, not the usual I heard from X, that homologation was ever set or that development is still ongoing? It's not like we hear every race about new parts they've been testing and the new spec car but then the FoxSports crews aren't that diligent on a good day |
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2 Jul 2018, 20:20 (Ref:3834352) | #3294 | ||
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My closest IMSA source retired from their job in the offseason, so the following is all what I've heard through the grapevine. In short, take this with a grain of salt. What I've heard is that Nissan and Cadillac have locked in a homologation of all parts at Daytona, and must get IMSA approval to install any new design parts. Acura supposedly does not need to homologate until next year because this is their first year, and Mazda is being given room to work both because the base chassis also required a complete overhaul and because they partnered with a new team. Like I said, I no longer have a reliable source, so if anyone with better info can confirm or refute it would be much appreciated. |
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3 Jul 2018, 21:35 (Ref:3834480) | #3296 | ||
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JDC are reportedly looking at a possible Hyundai DPI program if they can't work out a deal with HPD/Acura, or Mazda, Cadillac or Nissan. This per Racer Magazine.
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Per Marshall Pruett, so take it with a grain of salt. I like Pruett most of the time, but he's been pushing a LOT of non-stories about alleged new DPi manufacturers for the past couple years. Any news of a possible new manufacturer joining DPi should be taken with a "believe it when I see it" mentality at this point. (especially when it's one that isn't already entered in GTLM or GTD) |
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3 Jul 2018, 23:06 (Ref:3834491) | #3298 | ||
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DSC are also reporting on it now, though it's just a hook up to the Racer story.
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4 Jul 2018, 00:23 (Ref:3834500) | #3299 | ||
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If and when the classes are split (which would be awesome if there are sustainable numbers), I'd still like to see the P2 cars be able to modify to compete in DPi if they want to. Allow them to use whatever dampers they want and, I don't care what Gibson says, that 3.4L has more in it. I still want to see true privateers compete in the top class and that might be the ticket.
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