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25 Apr 2019, 20:34 (Ref:3899637) | #326 | |
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Why do touring cars when you can race a GT3 Ferrari or Porsche for similar money, and thanks to the pro-am format, even be in contention for victories?
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26 Apr 2019, 07:41 (Ref:3899714) | #327 | |||
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If you take Nicola Baldan in Italy as an example, his career stalled briefly before he returned in TCR Italy where he proved himself very well, ultimately earning himself consistent funding and a seat in the Italian GT championship. There are plenty of young drivers too, ie Giacomo Altoe, that have gone onto GT racing via TCR too. Touring cars is also its own 'genre' of motorsport. If you do well in national/regional TCR, you could go on to race on the same grid as Tarquini, Muller, Priaulx etc. who were made legends by touring car racing.. |
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26 Apr 2019, 08:24 (Ref:3899724) | #328 | |
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Case in point; Jens Reno Møller. Uncompetitive in TCR Europe. Swaps his Civic TCR for an NSX GT3, and wins a Blancpain Gentleman's cup race straight up.
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26 Apr 2019, 09:35 (Ref:3899736) | #329 | ||
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Sorry i must have missed the story where Dave Bartrum had a gun to his head while people were demanding he bought the Golfs. If they hadnt researched what they were buying into prior to buying cars thats not really the series problem, besides they havent been lumbered with the cars, they can be shipped to any other TCR series |
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26 Apr 2019, 11:29 (Ref:3899759) | #330 | |
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Motorbase had no problem selling their Golf. A quick look at cars for sale will tell you that TCR cars hold their value pretty well. I'm not saying they didn't lose some money in the process, but it's not as if they had to write of the entire cost.
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26 Apr 2019, 11:54 (Ref:3899768) | #331 | |
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Exactly, a reason why they are popular. Whereas series that run unique regs, like BTCC etc. have little used value in comparison.
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26 Apr 2019, 12:02 (Ref:3899772) | #332 | ||
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There's no reason they shouldn't unless it's been significantly crash damaged at some point in its life. I've seen them sold in second hand running order for as low as £40,000 though.
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26 Apr 2019, 14:52 (Ref:3899805) | #333 | |
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All these people wanting to shed a tear for motorbase spending money on cars then not racing in the series because it wasnt financially viable really need to get a bit of a grip.
The decision any team will have taken to go racing will have been a calculated business one, not done one a whim, they will have bought in cars that they knew they would shift on if they couldn't make a go of it as they wanted. Motorbase have sold their car, others have sold cars on and because its a recognised formula worldwide, there is a decent market for the cars, others have kept theirs because TCT/TCR UK meets what they want to do at the moment. I dont agree with some of the original marketing by TCR UK but its being run differently and sometimes you have to give these things a chance. How about embracing the fact you now have a couple of different series you can be interested in (as cars drivers you know from the beloved BTCC may feature) rather than moan about the fact you have too much motorsport going on |
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27 Apr 2019, 07:30 (Ref:3899920) | #334 | ||
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I think it's mostly just frustration that a very good concept was handled so poorly
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27 Apr 2019, 09:26 (Ref:3899928) | #335 | ||
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Also, TCR is a great concept but I think no matter how well it was handled, it was going to be an uphill struggle to gain a foothold in the UK market. |
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27 Apr 2019, 10:43 (Ref:3899945) | #336 | ||
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Four TCR cars at Silverstone today running in the Dunlop Endurance Championship, one being the Ex-Motorbase Golf ran by Maximum for Tim Docker. I'm sure we'll see him out this year in TCRUK too.
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27 Apr 2019, 15:13 (Ref:3900019) | #338 | ||
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All I'm getting at is that there are too many series essentially doing similar things, which I think is madness. And to bring it back round to the actual topic, this is why I think TCR was destined for failure no matter who ran it (unless BTCC adopted the formula). |
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28 Apr 2019, 20:50 (Ref:3900341) | #339 | |
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Would love a thread on failed UK championships and what details can be found on them. They tend to disappear into the void very fast. Had a fascinating chat with a guy involved with the Atom Cup on how that series went under in a very weird fashion.
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28 Apr 2019, 21:24 (Ref:3900348) | #340 | |
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There's been a few articles on Autosport about that in the past
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29 Apr 2019, 13:12 (Ref:3900475) | #342 | |
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Let us know when you have uploaded it, it sounds interesting
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29 Apr 2019, 13:35 (Ref:3900479) | #343 | ||
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The pilots in the Blancpain GT Sports Club a really uncompetitive in the normal Blancpain Field and are normaly on the positions 45+ then they race there.
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30 Apr 2019, 20:43 (Ref:3900817) | #344 | |
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Well they want a place for the amateurs and I think there is no harm in having them
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1 May 2019, 17:23 (Ref:3901048) | #345 | |
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I don't see a problem, just don't make it more important than it is.
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1 May 2019, 23:33 (Ref:3901098) | #346 | |
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James Turkington is now entered, apparently in an ex Supercopa Seat Cup car. Soooooo not sure what class that's in but apparently Ciceley are running it, and he's not in the second Golf. Which much like a lot of last years cars, is sitting there being talked about but with zero drivers confirmed to be driving it yet
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2 May 2019, 09:36 (Ref:3901156) | #347 | |
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Well good to see Colin's brother in it, the SEAT should be a good car. What class though? Nice to see Cicely help out. I just wish more teams will get their cars out
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2 May 2019, 10:08 (Ref:3901165) | #348 | |
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It would have to be in the TCT class rather than TCR class surely as it's not a TCR car?
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2 May 2019, 10:53 (Ref:3901198) | #349 | |
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Well surely that would be the case. I wish there was more info about this
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2 May 2019, 10:58 (Ref:3901203) | #350 | |
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So Turkington will most likely be racing in a class specifically for a class for Seat Leon Cup Cars. TCT being made up of 4 classes. NGTC,TCR,S2000 and Seat Leons. All classes eligible for the overall TCT championship. As well as their own individual classes. So the TCR class winner will be the TCRUK winner. At least thata how i understand it. Some clarification would be nice though
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