LMS Round 2: Monza, April 25-27, 2008

[PascaLM]

Tinseau is limit, limit

[FIRE]

Peugeot wins again.

With a bit of patience Audi had won the race.

[FIRE]

Creation lost 3rd pos to Pescarolo

[Speed-King]

Porsche walkover in P2.

[Spyderman]

...and First Win For The 997RSR!

...(in LMS)

[The Badger]

Nice one Spyderman ..... im delighted .....

[sssssssss]

now i guess it's getting quite obvious that the ACO is with peugeot.

[Jimbob-18]

What a dramatic race! Can't wait till 2 weeks time! Good finish by everyone, good to see Pescarolo back on the podium at last and hope Ortelli makes a swift and happy recovery from his injuries.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by sssssssss

now i guess it's getting quite obvious that the ACO is with peugeot.

Audi screwed up once again, the Peugeot doesn't have to sit back, they can race flat out until they choose to pit.

Audi have won more than their fair share of ALMS races by out muscling the opposition.

[bf1]

That was an entertaining afternoon, hope Stephane will have a speedy recovery and thank you again to Vorsprung for proving the video link

[sssssssss]

yup, it's no mistery that the big manufacturers have the regulations their way pretty much, over all the others. but audi and peugeot are both major manufacturers, with peugeot and aco being both french. it's a strange coincidence that peugeot were always so obviously better than their entire competition all the time under aco's regs: both in 92-93 and in 08.

[Dani Filth]

it should be noted that the Charouz Lola was constantly waster than the #2 Audi when it run .. it's fastest lap .. 34.1 being very competitive .

[sssssssss]

the bottom line being that peugeot woudn't have risked all those moves - cutting the chicane, passing next to that tractor and hitting the audi instead of having their penalty done - which normally would have made them lose the race, if they woudn't have known aco will back them. it just looked so planned. to me, it's a shame, beucase peugeot really looked so powerful and respectful, but now i'm beginning to think their advantage is nothing more than aco hoping for a french victory at le mans.

[pach233]

Really terrifice race. Hate that it had to end that way so controversially. Just makes me look forward to Spa that much more. Have to say having RLM available here in the states made the race that much more enjoyable. I think we're a couple races into a historic sports car season on both sides of the pond. LeMans this year could be a true classic!

P.S. Thanks a ton to Johnathan France and Embassy for making RLM possible.

P.S.S. Congrats to Ian Bickerton and Creation for coming back from that shunt and getting a well deserved 4th in a brand new 2nd car. Look forward to big things from that team the rest of the year.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Holt

I have no sound on, I turned radio lemans off after here him use these rediculous nick names like 'Rocky'. I saw the stop go graphic appear right after he passed the audi after overshooting the chicane

Imagine if formula 1 announcers followed internet lingo and started to call michael schumacher 'Schuey' during the race and others called the Peugeot 'Pug'...omg

Hmm, imagine not listening because they do not announce their full given name everytime they are mentioned! And then take offense when not knowing the full circumstances of why something happened.

L.P.

[nasdriv87]

wow... what a race!!! pity for audi, now that streaming worked fine to brazil... thanks a lot man...

[minimangler]

Originally Posted by Holt

I have no sound on, I turned radio lemans off after here him use these rediculous nick names like 'Rocky'. I saw the stop go graphic appear right after he passed the audi after overshooting the chicane

Imagine if formula 1 announcers followed internet lingo and started to call michael schumacher 'Schuey' during the race and others called the Peugeot 'Pug'...omg

You won't support for views like that around here, mate.

i'd suggest you keep that kind of comment to yourself.

Great race, great stream (thanks!) and as usual brilliant commentary from Hindy and co at RLM...

ROLL ON SPA!

[JAG]

Originally Posted by sssssssss

yup, it's no mistery that the big manufacturers have the regulations their way pretty much, over all the others. but audi and peugeot are both major manufacturers, with peugeot and aco being both french. it's a strange coincidence that peugeot were always so obviously better than their entire competition all the time under aco's regs: both in 92-93 and in 08.

Roll back 12 months and many on this site stated Peugeot had next to zero chance of beating Audi, failing to take into consideration Audi hasn't been up against credible manufactuer opposition since '99.

In 91 Peugeot were humbled by Jaguars XJR-14, they upped their game, but the only opposition was Toyota with a pretty conservative, unreliable car.

Today Peugeot are up against a 2+ year old R10, a car that has already been beaten consistently by the RS Spyder.

Maybe it's an unfortunate coincidence Le Mans has been dominated for the past 20 years by the German Audi and Porsche brands, and US Corvette and Dodge teams............

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Dani Filth

it should be noted that the Charouz Lola was constantly waster than the #2 Audi when it run .. it's fastest lap .. 34.1 being very competitive .

I didn't realise it's fastest race lap was that quick!

Sure the 908 has a diesel engine and the Lola a GT1 Aston Martin motor, but it can't have gone unnoticed they are both slippery, efficient coupes, who not only have a top speed advantage, but look more stable in the twisty stuff and under braking.

[sssssssss]

Originally Posted by JAG

Roll back 12 months and many on this site stated Peugeot had next to zero chance of beating Audi, failing to take into consideration Audi hasn't been up against credible manufactuer opposition since '99.

In 91 Peugeot were humbled by Jaguars XJR-14, they upped their game, but the only opposition was Toyota with a pretty conservative, unreliable car.

Today Peugeot are up against a 2+ year old R10, a car that has already been beaten consistently by the RS Spyder.

Maybe it's an unfortunate coincidence Le Mans has been dominated for the past 20 years by the German Audi and Porsche brands, and US Corvette and Dodge teams............

as i said, the big manufacturers always have the rules their way pretty much. one of the most interesting aspects of races such as LM1998 or LM1999 is exactly the fact that, with more major manufacturers into le mans racing, the rules get impartial for the main contenders because all of them are kind of equal when measuring their forces for making the regs their way. but for peugeot, there is one more criteria making them persuasive against manufacturers like audi in the eyes of aco. personally, i always was - and definitely still am - a big fan of france, especially because their impressive contribution to universal culture, but they just seem to be a bit unfair when the french go for le mans victory. and i'm sure the germans would do the same if le mans was in germany and the aco, kind of a... acw
audi's r10 is an incredibly fast car in 2008 - a record breaking car. and this is the first really good explanation - resulting from objective factors after monza 2008 - for peugeot being that much faster than the record-breaking racecar of one of the finest german manufacturers in the world.

[kingkai]

What a race, just one word: WOW (great to be there at Spa in 2 weeks)

[Osella]

Originally Posted by vorsprung

Link time!

Live timing: version 1, version 2

Radio Le Mans

german web browser stream

spanish web browser stream

spanish mms-stream for external media player

a late thank-you for the links

[deggis]

Ortelli's crash: http://youtube.com/watch?v=52wUHuZ7fqI

Lamy needs a slap in the face for the screwup under yellows. Can't say about the that other thing, maybe 50-50, at least it feels too stupid to be totally intentional. I'd like to see longer clip of it with showing how they were exactly positioned before braking. Lamy was clearly having some kind of mental blackout during the past few laps so would like to believe it was accidental. End result might be controversial, but at this point this kind of heat and sparking between two teams can be only good for the series.

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[canam]

The crash in the oreca courage must reopen discussion over the safety issues. The LMP1 regs were revamped many years ago to prevent what we saw at Monza from happening. I can see further moves to further alter some of the aero features. thank goodness, Ortelli is OK. that was one of the worst crashes that I have seen .

[dazbaz_99]

Originally Posted by deggis

Ortelli's crash: http://youtube.com/watch?v=52wUHuZ7fqI

Thanks for the link. What a horrifying accident. Ortelli is a very luck boy. That could of had far worse consequences.