March 782 - Page 14

driftwood · 10 Sep 2007, 09:46 (Ref:2008308)

Go on allen please say it make an old man happy !!!
did musetti shunt 1 of the 781 cars
smith 782 car i think is chassis 20/ 28? i need to check

Dan Rear · 10 Sep 2007, 12:39 (Ref:2008479)

Jeremy Smith.... or... Paul Smith??????

driftwood · 10 Sep 2007, 12:46 (Ref:2008485)

jeremy dont start that paul smith saga again
his car is a late chassi number its a Bob salisbury car 20 0r 28
i cant get onto mst oulton park gold cup results to see the chassis# he had it listed

James Murray · 10 Sep 2007, 12:56 (Ref:2008493)

Did anyone bother to read my last post...... The chassis plate on the Jeremy Smith car at Oulton Park read 782-10!! MST website also has it down as 782-10 and you will note from that site he qualified it on pole in DBT!! Great effort first time out.

allenbrown · 10 Sep 2007, 13:59 (Ref:2008526)

Quote:

Originally Posted by znarfg

Hello all,
782-10 is still in my garage. I purchased the car directly from Chris Cramer with original chassis-plate and race documentation.
regards

Thanks znarfg. So are you Jeremy Smith or do we have two cars called 782-10 now?

Could you tell us what happened to your car after James Jack advertised it in 1984? How much of the gap between 1984 and 2004 are you able to fill?

Thanks

Allen

James Murray · 10 Sep 2007, 20:51 (Ref:2008827)

More info from HSCC news which has just been issued. Quoted as being ex Bernard de Dryver and last used in hillclimbing in early 80's?

James Murray · 10 Sep 2007, 20:53 (Ref:2008832)

Sorry above post refers to 782-10 to avoid confusion.

allenbrown · 10 Sep 2007, 21:52 (Ref:2008888)

That history is fine for 782-10. But I'm still not sure if we have two 782-10s, znarfg's and Jeremy Smith's, or whether znarfg is Jeremy Smith or whether Jeremy Smithy had hired znarfg's 782.

Ted Walker · 11 Sep 2007, 07:37 (Ref:2009076)

782-10 was the car tested at shelsley walsh hillclimb ,along with a couple of other cars by Derek Bell for Car&Car Conversions.It was owned I think by Douglas & Gavin.

James Murray · 11 Sep 2007, 07:43 (Ref:2009085)

Allen it definately wasn't hired as Anthony Smith states in the article he restored it and Jeremy Smith is his son who drove it. Has been rebuilding it for last 8 months.

allenbrown · 11 Sep 2007, 07:58 (Ref:2009103)

So is 'znarfg' Anthony Smith?

driftwood · 11 Sep 2007, 08:20 (Ref:2009126)

No he is not Smith he is german Franz
post form 2004Hi Dan,
the car was sold from chris c. to the new owner in Germany. The new owner never drove the car. Chris C. has had a accident, due that accident the bodywork was destroyed and the car has got a new cassis. The son of Chris C. drove the car later, without the sidepods and with a 2 liter Hart 420 R. Now I have make a new origial 782 bodywork. Next year I will go with the european f 2 club (www.europeanf2.com)
Not bad my English!???
Franz

Simon Hadfield · 11 Sep 2007, 11:50 (Ref:2009276)

So if there are 2 chassis 10s does that make one chassis 20? (sorry)

Steve Wilkinson · 11 Sep 2007, 15:24 (Ref:2009400)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

So if there are 2 chassis 10s does that make one chassis 20? (sorry)

Or a chassis ZERO?

znarfg · 12 Sep 2007, 08:52 (Ref:2009967)

Hi all,
Here a little more information about 782-10 (extract from al letter form Chris Camer)

1. Origin Bob Salisbury how has 2 Cars in 1978
2. Godfry Crompton purchased the car in 1978 and change the engine to Hart
3. 1979 hillclimb Driver Chris Cramer - 1th overall national Gyson/BARC

allenbrown · 12 Sep 2007, 08:55 (Ref:2009970)

Hi znarfg

But you didn't answer the big question here - is your car the same one that
Jeremy Smith is racing or is it a different one?

Allen

znarfg · 12 Sep 2007, 09:11 (Ref:2009979)

sorry I wasn't finished
3. 1979 2nd British RAC Hilclimp Championship - Chris Cramer
4. 1980 conversion to a Hewland FG 400 with big dirveshafts
Outright winner Britisch Hillclimb Championship many Cours records
5. Car sold to Jimmy Jack
Driven by Bill Morris and Marc Cramer, a son of Chris, who established a litre single seater course record at Shelsley Walsh
6. 1986 after a very nasty accident of Chris at Loton Park the car was rebuild with a new chassis by Lyncar

For 1987 and 1988 I've no confirmed results

7. The car was sold from Chris Cramer to Wolfgang Bode in Germay. Wolfgang start the restauration but ditn't finished.
8. I purchased the car from Wofgang Bode in 2004 with Hart engine.

znarfg · 12 Sep 2007, 09:14 (Ref:2009980)

Hi Allen,
My car is still in restauration. Jeremy Smith has a other car.
Franz

allenbrown · 12 Sep 2007, 15:09 (Ref:2010238)

Thanks Franz

Nordic · 12 Sep 2007, 15:21 (Ref:2010248)

Quote:

Originally Posted by znarfg

sorry I wasn't finished
3. 1979 2nd British RAC Hilclimp Championship - Chris Cramer
4. 1980 conversion to a Hewland FG 400 with big dirveshafts
Outright winner Britisch Hillclimb Championship many Cours records
5. Car sold to Jimmy Jack
Driven by Bill Morris and Marc Cramer, a son of Chris, who established a litre single seater course record at Shelsley Walsh
6. 1986 after a very nasty accident of Chris at Loton Park the car was rebuild with a new chassis by Lyncar

For 1987 and 1988 I've no confirmed results

7. The car was sold from Chris Cramer to Wolfgang Bode in Germay. Wolfgang start the restauration but ditn't finished.
8. I purchased the car from Wofgang Bode in 2004 with Hart engine.

Is this your car Franz?

1980 and the need for the bigger driveshafts is clear!

znarfg · 12 Sep 2007, 15:41 (Ref:2010259)

Hi Nordic,
yes it's my car.
Franz

driftwood · 3 Oct 2007, 14:06 (Ref:2029906)

Chris T (post #108) Bain appears with a 78B at Thruxton at the end of 1981. Charlie Kirby is in the same race with his ex Cheever 782 conversion, so it can't be that. It could, however, be Martin Mansell's 78B, which goes missing at that point.
I saw Martin Mansell at the weekend and asked him about his car-he said car was a made up from parts and he owned in conjunction with Duncan bain-we where interupted mid way I will get more info later cos i have somink he wants

allenbrown · 3 Oct 2007, 14:13 (Ref:2029912)

I spoke to Duncan Bain recently about that car and it was definitely an entity before they had it. They had to have it converted from 782 to Atlantic spec so I suspect they had a dismantled F2 car.

Ask Martin where he sold it to.

driftwood · 3 Oct 2007, 14:27 (Ref:2029919)

will do we where interrupted at that crucial point!!!

driftwood · 3 Oct 2007, 20:08 (Ref:2030220)

I have spoken to Martin Mansell again and had a longer and detailed story on his 782 car

He said he essentially bought many March 782 pieces from a man with plenty of ££ in the Midlands ( Im guessing Birmingham area more later) who was a hillclimber and this man had many March parts.
He found the man from an advert ( I assume AS advert) and agreed to buy 1 tub and all the parts but never took delivery of it at the time as he never had all the ££ to give to the man
A short while later Martin was ready with the final ££ he was told by the hillclimber that the tub was not there ( he thinks the man was hillclimbing same type of car and maybe dinged his car and used the tub) and 1 would be ready later
Eventually he had all the parts and an ex March employee assembled the car in FA engine format

Martin said he is adamant the tub had a plate but no idea what it was

He was mates with Duncan Bain who went into the car 5050 with him and they ran the car a few races at the end of the year Duncan bought the remaining 50% share of the March ( Martin preferred front engines clubman type cars) and raced it the following season in FA events
No idea who had it after Duncan im sure 1 of you guys will know
Apparently Ian Flux drove the car once at Brands and broke the FA lap record ( does this ring any bells?)
Now this Midlands man I have heard of before from Ray Rowan and he said this man had heaps of March parts and im sure he was a man with a garage business- I am waiting to speak to Ray for more info
Now Martin said the man also had a crash in his Ferrari on the road and was "injured" as he recalls a scar on his face/head
Any of this ring any bells?

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