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Correct.
The overseas results for the Panoz LMP, GT1 and obviously most of all the Le Mans winning GT2 also prove that they weren't total flukes. |
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The DW works well in a showbiz way and is very attractive to non-hardcore racing fans. It adds viewers whether we like it or not. Much like Danica Patrick, the entertainment factor is independent of the racing factor (although she at least fits the rules). Until IMSA has a decent field of prototypes I would expect them to be happy to have the DW as a sideshow.
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Even if we accept that the DWing was fine for what it was (a repurposed oval racer put on track to attract non-racing fans to the series) at what point does it become a real part of the series.
Are we to think that if some other guy showed up with a way underweight conventional car with an understroked AER turbo in the back, that would be fine too? There was never a “class” for the DWing—it was always a one-off. The only way the DWing was a legitimate entry was that other teams could buy them ... what a joke, considering the team couldn’t keep its own car on track, and only had a couple non-embarrassing results in three seasons. If the series needs the DWing as a sideshow, it is probably not viable anyway. I don’t expect to see it in 2017, and if it is on the grid, it will still be irrelevant. If by some miracle the team gets the car to work and run competitively for entire races for an entire season, it still has no relevance to the rest of the race in terms of rules ... Dr. Panoz could have fielded a team of race-winning P2s or DPs for what it has cost him to fail repeatedly. Since IMSA is no longer his property, I see no reason why the car should be on the grid. Fine if it is but all it proves is that Dr. Don has made a lot of money. |
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It was probably written in the legal documents involving sales of ALMS assets and Don's tracks that as further compensation mr Panoz has the legacy-right to field vehicles of his own choosing for as long as he sees fit.
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So those DPi's......
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So HPD went to Dallara and wanted to coop a DPi with them, right? And Dallara said, uhm, we're busy already, right? There is no rule that one constructor can only cooperate with a single manufacturer, though I wonder about the incentive for a constructor to cooperate with a second manufacturer?
Or put another way, I would expect the manufacturer to foot the bill and determine how the car will look, not the constructor. AFAICT the constructor's expertise is used WRT how to put the specific engine into the given frame and how to fix the new bodywork onto it. The base car (P2 body) is not modified (by the constructor), right? So .. there are no capacity issues to be expected for a constructor, are there? I mean .. obviously I'm wrong, as Dallara opted not to work with a second manufacturer, but why? Is Dallara that short on man power? Is the process more involved than my pleb mind imagines? Has the other manufacturer achieved (voluntary) exclusivity from Dallara? |
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There's always a lot of talk/chat going on between the various folks in the business during race/test events, a HPD guy talking with a Dallara peep (for example) doesn't mean they're sleeping together.
But they might...! |
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Part of what some of you are forgetting, or ignoring is that many of these constructors, say HPD for example, don't build their own chassis.
Many have it farmed it out to someone else even if it's not openly acknowledged. There aren't many places with significant experience to build, and mold a tub. So if Dallara are "working" with someone.... it's because they have the expertise to get it done with expediency, and accuracy. |
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Does HAAS F1 even build tubs in the US?
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I am not sure how this fits into the discussion other than that Haas contracted Dallara to create the 2016 F1 chassis. To your question, the Haas monocoque was constructed by Dallara in Italy. I expect Haas plans to build their own in the future, but doubt they are setup to do it today even if they have the equipment.
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The F1 HAAS thread is here: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140584
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HPD is working with Onroak.
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I think it could be a rather linear assumption, as they are currently working together on the MSR and ESM (IWSC) cars. It would seem to be the easiest transition for a DPi if they have chosen to go DPi. That is the only way at the moment for them to be on the IWSC grid in '18 unless the NSX joins, but I think HPD wishes to be in the P class and the NSX does not allow that unless it is stylized as a DPi.
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Makaze was right about the NSX GT3... just sayin'.
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I have no doubt HPD made an 'official' inquiry with Onroak who, by now, have given them an 'official' quote for the desired project. HPD is looking for clearance from Honda/Acura and/or budget to go ahead with it. So far their commitment is pretty marginal.
Nothing really new here imo. But let's hope all comes together. |
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